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Remain in Faith

Can momentum be divvied up or is it something you can only have whole?

For example, our bowlers had momentum over the Pom top order, but, our second dig wasn't an awesome display of batting prowess.

flutey

How is Cap'n Clarke's bag of positives going? Seems he's taken to writing haikus in this zen like "little book of calm" article:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/cricket/michael-clarke-says-aussies-take-a-lot-of-confidence-out-of-old-trafford-test-after-improved-showing/story-fni2usfi-1226693036514

Big Ramadan

Aaagh, I could murder a curry.

Nick

Australia make 527/7 declared in the first innings of the Third Test with Watson opening. They then make 172/7 in the second innings with Warner opening and Watson at 4. This somehow means Warner should open?

I can't believe that after 2 years of alleged planning we :
- do not know our best opening partnership
- were not settled on a number 3
- did not know our best 6 batsmen
- could not settle on a batting order
- couldn't get Clarke to bat where he came in before the innings was toast
- no settled wicketkeeper
- unsure as to our 4 best bowlers
- keep shafting our apparent number 1 spinner

My money's on a post Perth like hiding.

gillysgone

An English friend and Durham local reckons there is rain around, so maybe Old Trafford revisited.

Russ

Momentum. Probably exists after 80 overs of continuous batting, when it is fair to say the bowling is tired, and the runs get easier. Otherwise, forget it.

Have this feeling the sensible thing to do is rest Harris for Bird, and otherwise carry on (maybe swap Watson and Warner). Wade probably continues to be hard done by. Not with the gloves, but as a batsman, because notwithstanding the 50+ in the last test, Watson is struggling. Is there a rule saying that if you are listed as a keeper you may only play if you are a keeper?

Tony Tea

Maybe the selectors need to activate Wade off the rookie list, and put Watson on the long term incapable injury list.

Russ

Gaah, that was meant to say 500+, the batting is struggling, and Watson is the cause. Watson is struggling, but he hasn't scored 50 in a bajillion years.

Standing Blovation

I reckon momentum exists, but it's just having more blokes in form.
If you won the last Test having three batsmen who scored 100 and four bowlers who each took five for 75, chances are they're 'seeing it like a football'/'putting it in the right areas'.
Whereas the side who's just had its arse kicked isn't.
Obviously this isn't a golden rule but it seems to make some sense.
Where the momentum is in this next Test I'm not sure, though. I'd say probably neither side have much.

Re Durham, rain and cloud on a wicket that was wet earlier in the week and often seams around - win the toss and bowl.

Standing Blovation

(Of course, that raises the question of whether 'form' exists.)

Tony Tea

Momentum is shorthand for the periods in games when teams have things go their way. Both teams always have their turns at momentum, but the good teams capitalise during these periods while the poor teams miss their chances and get beaten.

Professor Rosseforp

"Aaagh, I could murder a curry" -- thank you Big Rama :-)

Tony Tea

Momentum from Test to Test is a load of twaddle. Too many things change from the end of one Test to the start of the next. If Australia or England win several Tests in a row, it in not because of momentum, it is because they are a better team.

Professor Rosseforp

In Ancient Rome, if you tried to attract a busy waiter, he would say "momentum" to indicate he would be with you shortly.

Professor Rosseforp

Actually momentum in cricket is closely related to the footballing concept of: "one side wanted to win more" -- i.e. it's a way of providing a back explanation for journos. I have never yet seen a "want-to-win-o-meter" before a match that assigns a desire to win in numerical terms. Likewise, "momentum" is a kind of non-quantifiable "stuff" that can't really be gainsaid.

Remain in Faith

Here's some momentum.

But I digress.

In order to kick start proceedings in the proceeding 2 game dead rubber series (is it still alive? Best of 10?) here's a triptych of songs to go with our fortunes, all with an Oz Ashes theme.

Right Action

Man I need

Came back haunted

Tony Tea

Good toss to lose. Today is the sort of conditions where an Aussie captains shits himself post Edgy 05 and makes the wrong call.

Tony Tea

Aleem Dar and Tony Hill. Gruesome. May as well umpire with Sunny Gavaskar and Simon Barnes.

Tony Tea

Ryan Harris is bowling from the Selwyn Froggitt end.

Tony Tea

Almost a Mo ball.

Remain in Faith

An Aiku to Friday Night

Cricket's on, got my semtex belt packed right down next to me.

Eels and Tigers do battle for the wooden spoon.

None for nine at Chester-lee.

Remain in Faith

Make that none for fourteen.

Carrot

Hold on to your hats, a reviewed caught behind!

Carrot

Well there you go. One of them got over-turned for a change.

Remain in Faith

Root, is, gone.

Russ

Root belted the cover off that and it still produced the tiniest of tiny marks.

Carrot

I gots to say, I really hate how England bat. It's just awful. I'm sure it's effective and gets the job done etc etc, and it's probably borne out of an attempt to right past wrongs - i.e. losing for fun in the nineties through early noughties, a measure of success but inconsistent in most of the 2000's, but it's just not what cricket should be about, for me. I'm clearly making this remark as a spectator, and maybe if I had a bat in my hand and was playing for my mortgage I'd take a completely different view, but there is zero entertainment, zero romance, zero freakin' anything that I like about cricket. Even as I've taken quite a bit of time off over the summer and have had plenty of time to watch cricket, generally I've watched Australia bat (badly or not) and listened to the radio or followed it online for the English batting. Stodge.

Remain in Faith

26-22 for the win and everything's still looking average.

Remain in Faith

Still, Carrot, it makes you think what the true values of life are.

Carrot

Er - ok? Which ones did you have in mind?

Determination, efficiency and dogged will to succeed or something?

Tony Tea

Clarke stood-stilled the Ashes off Root at Lord's and dropped the Ashes off Root at OT. Got out of slips, you stiff backed Lemming.

Remain in Faith

Just, some things take time to build. Circumstances need be accounted for.

Remain in Faith

Patience. Stoicism. Will.

1/34 and it looks like shit. 0/34 is a good start.

Context.

Carrot

Watson's bowling has clearly kept him in the side this series. He's only taken two wickets, but someone said on air earlier that more than half of his overs up until that point had been maidens. Clearly a good foil for the likes of Siddle and Harris to maintain pressure whilst either one of them has a breather. It'll be interesting to see how we go with Bird in the mix as well, being that he's a line and length bowler as well. For all my criticism of England's batting, it's not a line-up that will leak runs int quite the same way as the bad old days of 2009 and 10/11.

Russ

You could admire the bowling carrot. Okay, it has been relentlessly outside off (mostly) and on a length. But I love watching the locking of horns.

If you are bored though, jump on the ICC site, Namibia are chasing 290 against Hamid Hassan and the rest of the Afghanistan attack. It will shortly either be raining boundaries or wickets, or both.

Carrot

Re: some things take time to build - can we not say that England are pretty much built as they are? If this were Bangladesh stone-walling everyone I'd probably applaud it. England can boast one of the best batting sides in the world statistically speaking, and yet they still crawl along at 2-2.5 runs an over.

I do admire their execution, and their application to the task under Flower. They have a plan and they stick to it. I just can't help but think that they'll never really be a great side if they continue in this vein. It does, however, beat the sort of shot-a-ball get-out-the-next stuff that we've seen from the likes of us earlier this series, and from an English perspective, the ends clearly justify the means. The fact that Australia still plays positive cricket is something that I'm happy to cling on to, though.

Remain in Faith

A watchful session for England and though Australia picked up a wicket, they should feel fairly satisfied.

Yes. Both of they should.

Remain in Faith

England can boast one of the best batting sides in the world statistically speaking, and yet they still crawl along at 2-2.5 runs an over.

The latter explains the former.

Batting and batting are oft times misconstrued.

Remain in Faith

Test match cricket is one of the few, last, things I watch for sport on TV these days.

Everything else just seems so lame. Like a box of simple carbohydrates on display in the office kitchen. Fucking fat, retarded, gorged on fat fuckhead feast.

And, then, after driving through traffic for kays upon kays, upon kays, you get nothing. But TV. Politics. Dad!

Maybe I'm getting old, maybe I'm amazed at the way I'm hating all the time. There's still some room for surprise.

Carrot

Nice song, Pat. Have I missed a point in why you've linked to it, though? It's been awhile since I've seen that sort of uncomplicated video clip that looks like a home movie, very refreshing - and the sounds reminds me of Rodriguez. I guess Rodriguez was an example of 70's-era West Coast sound though, as was this, so I suppose it's not too remarkable a thing to point out.

Take your point. Test cricket is often a war of attrition, and grinding an attack down is a tried and true method. I'd just like to see more enterprise, that's all.

m0nty

Snore central tonight, the footy was also boring.

Remain in Faith

Have I missed a point in why you've linked to it, though?

Because it goes nowhere.

Haydn's "Surprise" is the compliment to it.

Remain in Faith

Mate of mine was a big fan of Rodriguez. I couldn't stand his cold hard facts, and he went mad in the end. Life really is like Test cricket. Sometimes it meanders, sometimes you get born under punches, mostly you keep trying to strive to keep up and hope to come out on top.

Remain in Faith

Yo, m0nty! How's the antiracism going yolo?!

Remain in Faith

While we watch this 1/95, knowing at any minute there could be another take on the surprise of Test match cricket, can I tell you that though Wagner is known for his "Ride of the Valkyries" due to Coppola's "Apocalypse Now", the first attribution was from Paul Verhoeven, by way of Guy Sajer's "The Forgotten Soldier?

It was in that novel that it was first attested that the Germans drove into battle with Wagner's song blaring through their intercom.

Remain in Faith

Poms have laid a huge platform here.

Carrot

Trotty gawn! Not the first time this series that he's looked a million bucks and got out.

Remain in Faith

That was a surprise, seeing as how good he looked.

Tony Tea

Joosty is heading in the Watson direction. Getting plenty of starts, but getting out soft just as he looks set.

Tony Tea

Interesting recent numbers by Trott.

Remain in Faith

The surprises continue.

Remain in Faith

3/149 is looking laboured.

Remain in Faith

That's the wicket.

Remain in Faith

This is a great battle going on here.

Forget the sacrilegious imagery and go with the sounds.

Tony Tea

4 wickets. 150 runs. 50 odd overs. Proper cricket.

Tony Tea

21 is better than 23.

Tony Tea

Mozart, that it. piano conch.

Tony Tea

andante.

Remain in Faith

Bell, 6. Bairstow, none. I have no idea why people don't love Test cricket. 4/155.

Remain in Faith

My God, your andante video clip sickens me, Tones.

It takes all my energy to instruct my boys not to beat box, not to nig...darken the doorstep of all that has gone before.

Beautiful, still, once I turn away from the video, still today.

Remain in Faith

Why does Prince have to keep his videos off Youtube? What do0es he have against Jews? Is he anti-semitic or something?


Here's a more up to date rendition of the state of play: Computer Blue

Russ

You two need to coordinate your videos better. I listened to both at once and it sounded terrible. This is for today's hero, the metronomic Jackson Bird

m0nty

I have had a terrible week Pat, don't start.

m0nty

12 Tests for Bairstow without a century. Would any of our kids last that long before getting the chop? Ah, I remember back to the days when we had that luxury.

Remain in Faith

Russ, at six, (6), for 189 or 186,, thereabouts, we are on top.

Let's hope we never have to bat again.

Remain in Faith

Make that 7 fa

Remain in Faith

8 fa

lou

Cheers for the classical vids, cos of them I found a Saint Saens piece I've never heard.

Hey, I thought Jackson Bird bowled pretty well. Kept at 'em and didn't give them too much junk except, annoyingly, when bowling to Anderson.

Boycs moaning about the English batsmen getting out to such an ordinary spin bowler seems like a very familiar refrain somehow. How dare Lyon take wickets. Doesn't he know how shit he is?

Remain in Faith

9/238 - I'd say that's Australia's day.

Tony Tea

We've got to bat yet.

Tony Tea

It is so much more enjoyable to watch us bowl when we bowl tight. Harris was the most expensive at only 3.68 per over.

m0nty

I suppose it's a supportable conjecture that England batted so slowly to arrest the Australian momentum narrative, but if so then it didn't work, as it played into Australia's hands.

Alternatively, they played some good bowling on its merits and it was just a bunch of shit shots that did them in.

You say potato, I say sweet potato.

Tony Tea

You could see what Cook was up to the way he left balls a micrometre outside off stump. It was almost as if he was channelling NZ in the 2001/02 X-Tazzy trophy. But that was a group of try-hards ambushing Warne and McGrath, not Cook v. the current Aussies. Struck me he was overly keen to notch a score. This then flowed on to the rest.

England is also the slowest scoring Test team, eschewing risk to build scores. The problem there is that a low score in a long time for few wickets down can, in the blink of an eye, become a low score for several wickets down. Scoreboard pressure, in the footy vernacular. Throw everything into defence and you run then risk of never being far enough ahead to shut the opposition out of the game. And hello, Ross Lyon.

Shep

Lyon now has 81 wickets at 33, and a strike rate of 64(!). They are starting to become really impressive figures. If he can clean up a few times on the fifth day, it's almost the complete package.

Russ

Come on Lou, the rest of us are Saint Saens fans too. Cough up. Pat, more of a 5th Piano Concerto than a 5th Symphony man myself.

Shade of South Africa '09 yesterday. Bowled tight lines and waited for something to happen. Which works for Siddle, definitely works for Bird, and plays into the hands of Lyon and Harris when they look to attack (or even just work) the bowlers who get a little more movement.

We'll see when we bat though. Hopefully a quick wicket in the morning.

Tony Tea

The Magic Flute overture.

Tony Tea

Mind you, the Queen of the Night running through the scales is the operatic equivalent of a drum solo. Waste of time.

Russ

Mozart can never keep it together. If he was around today he'd be pumping out chart-topping pop hooks for barely dressed starlets.

Sibelius's Symphony No. 5.

I went to a Keys to Music breakdown of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring played on two pianos this afternoon. No complaints, but for the small child who talked through the first half. Why do the very young and very old have so much trouble keeping quiet. Quit your damn eating, coughing and blabbering.

Tony Tea

Great minds, etc:

Yet the trouble with such an approach is that a scoreline of 1 for 75 from 35 overs can easily become 3 for 80 from 40 with two new batsmen at the crease.
Tony Tea

I like my classical music simple - Mozart, Beethoven, Haydn, some Bach, and the like. Can't cop that Russian noise and aural experimentation. I also especially dislike the French gear of Bizet and his ilk.

Russ

What's wrong with Bizet? Mahler I could understand (he is good though, just hard), and Debussy, although I like Claire de Lune. Mendelssohn is excellent and Saint-Saens best works worthwhile.

I'm no fan of Stravinsky - I went because I was a) there and b) it was free. I do like Tchaikovsky but he's prone to mess, as with Rimsky-Korsakov, Rachmaninov and Prokofiev is both very very good and very very unlistenable.

For the rest, Dvorak is good, but all his stuff sounds the same. Smetana has his moments, as does Liszt but I'll pass on Wagner. Brahms can't work a theme. Vivaldi is great, and love Verdi's choral music but can't sit through opera; too much screeching. Monteverdi is under-rated. Bach is mathematically brilliant, but boring, Handel, Haydn, Tallis, Schubert are good in parts but too prolific and it blends together (also see Mozart, in spades). Everything in Vienna from the Strauss era is rubbish. Vaughan-Williams is excellent, and bits of Elgar, Britten and Ozstraya's own Grainger; the Americans have their moments too. Can listen to Sibelius forever, Grieg in bits.

Beethoven towers over everyone.

Tchaikovsky's best (and most classical) moment, in my opinion

lou

I'm not a Saint Saens fan at all, but I've had to listen to a lot of it due to sharing a house many moons ago with a mate who was going through a 'phase'.

I wouldn't even say I'm a classical music fan particularly but I have a fair few Bach cds.

Tony Tea

Ill Wind

lou

Like that, TT. Never heard of them before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbuVMKm4juo

Couldn't find the bit where Sylvester charges up and down the stairs to Hungarian Rhapsody.

Tony Tea

Carl Stalling was my first musical hero.

lou

Wasn't that wuvwy?

My favourite is the Rabbit of Seville. Such a massive fund of sight gags in one cartoon.

Tony Tea

The Rabbit of Seville

Russ

Jimmy mouthing off at Bird after he completely demolished his middle stump?

Russ

Classic Ub Iwerks and Carl Stalling at Disney, no less.

Remain in Faith

One for you, Tones, and what's required.

The Brian Jonestown Massacre: Straight Up And Down

lou

Rabbit of Seville NEVER gets old.

Russ

This is going well. I was going to instigate a discussion of best symphony by wicket number but we've got to the third wicket and I hadn't gotten around to it yet. And the third is easy. Beethoven's. Every other choice is wrong.

lou

Sheesh, Usman's travelling well. Can we do two good matches in a row?

lou

The late twenties/early thirties cartoons were bloody clever, but mighty whacky. Must have been fun for the animators.

Tony Tea

Jeezus, this innings is not going to last long.

lou

Broad is due a haul unfortunately.

Russ

Ub Iwerks and Bob Clampett were just crazy. Chuck Jones was all about timing, and great at it, but his fore-runners were something else.

Rogers looks plumb here...

Russ

Or not, miles outside leg. Camera is deceptive. Not the greatest review it has to be said. Prior should be able to see that.

Vindicate

This innings is giving me a heart attack, I should just go to bed and hope not to wake up to a nightmare.

Tony Tea

This innings is going the same way as, well, the same way as about one in five innings over the last 5 years.

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