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Adsy

New idea from Hoggy on SEN to save tests: Both sides have 70 overs max in the first innings.

Yes, thats it.

His reasoning was it will produce more results, and stop games in the subcontinent where the first side makes 700 and the game is predictably a wash after that. Being a fast bowler he also said there will be less instances of quicks having to bowl 30-40 overs an innings.

It would bring a side like the Windies back into the game (like 20/20 has done) and promote some interesting tactics:
- If the pitch is a bit green, do you bat first in the worst of the conditions for 70 overs so you can bowl last?
- Do you bowl first and take the chance of chasing on the last day?
- Do you stack your batting in the hope of making a big enough score in the second dig?
- Do you play more all-rounders in the middle to help maximise your score in the 70 over innings?

It probably adds the tactics of 50/50 cricket to the Test arena, and whilst it could do with a bit more tinkering maybe (would this favour picking four fast bowlers for the 70 over part in particular over a spinner?). I reckon its probably not a bad idea.

Another idea on the end of the two tier Test ladder is to make bonus points part of the system to promote attacking play. Bonus points examples could be:
- Taking 4+ wickets in a session
- Making 130 runs plus in a session
- Declaring 8 down or less
- Bonus points for outright wins

The options are endless. The idea is to make certain meaningless games like the Windies mean something.

Adsy

By the way, word around the traps is that Hodge was hanging on for Hussey to fail so he could get a final crack at Test cricket, but his 60 odd in the first Test was the final nail in the coffin. He also didn't personally have a problem about finishing up his Shield career in the middle of a season, however others around the team are supposedly fuming about it.

Russ

Adsy, i would make for short tests, but is that really a good idea? I'm inclined towards a test championship, played in tiers, but with regional qualifiers and more teams. Pretty much every game is meaningful. In the off years you play the Ashes, Border-Gavaskar etc.

Decisive tests have a 270 over batting limit across both innings. That makes them six days, but it would have made the India-Sri Lanka snore fest from a fortnight ago pretty interesting.

Adsy

I think shorter Tests are a good idea. Fits in well with today's current taste for "instant entertainment" whilst still not messing fundamentally with the game too much. It would be more palatable for television execs who seem to have the game in their hands I think, especially in the subcontinent.

I had a look at the Test Championship proposal and its a great setup, but politics could play a bit of a role in the "regional" setup. Not sure if Australia v Namibia 3 home/3 away tests would fly. NZ run into traditional powerhouses Australia AND South Africa, whilst England get the hopeless Windies and a handful of ICC Associate countries.

But hey, why not just combine the two ideas?

Russ

Adsy, it is 1 home and away for Namibia/Zimbabwe, 2 home and away for NZ and SAF (the series lengthen as the games get more serious (more profitable). A short and sweet thrashing of an associate and one of NZ/Zim to start the summer has just enough novelty to be interesting, and is short enough not to freak out the administrators.

The Northern zone only has one qualifier, which makes things fairer - essentially half the test sides in each region qualify directly. It is a bigger problem having Ireland in their 3-team group, but it only takes one upset draw/loss for things to get interesting.

Ultimately NZ would need to roll two of WI and (Sri/Pak/Ind) to make the world group - that's their level right now, but they are at a low ebb. I estimate, based on the past 20 years and more that they'd probably either roll Aus or RSA or get through the world group about 40% of the time. And they get a healthy dose of meaningful cricket against decent (if not always the best) sides in the interim. It is much more unfair to Zimbabwe/Bangladesh who are likely to get relegated to an associate group in the regionals, but, hey it is not easy trying to expand the game AND balance the fixtures AND ensure the big-4 get lots of games against each other.

I don't think test cricket has that big an issue. It struggles because noone cares about (most) results, but institute a half decent championship and people will start watching. I read yesterday (I think) that they think they've solved the white ball problem for test cricket, so day/night tests will roll around sooner or later as well.

The Don has risen

thre is a very easy way to have exciting contests.
Have better pitches.

That one in NZ was way better than the one in Brisbane.
All wickets in India should be dup up and rebuilt

Adsy

Sorry Russ, I zigged when I should have zagged whilst looking at the chart.

I guess my argument was to "jazz" up current Test cricket in lieu of implementing something as wide ranging as a Test championship, especially given the reticence of some higher Test nations to adopt what looks like an excellent proforma to see the game go forward, as you mentioned in your manifesto.

If your going to be revolutionary in changing the game, why not take the Packer model as gospel;
a. Change the format (70 overs first innings)
b. Change the time the game is played (day/night Tests)
c. Change the structure (World Cup/Test Championship)
d. Bring in the TV dollars (naming rights/TV rights for the championship?)

In fact, it may indeed take a rebel group with someone like a Packer to get an idea like this off the ground at all, rather than wait for the ICC to stuff around and continue to be beholden to certain sections of the cricket world like they already are.

pat

Blood, sweat and Greens. The man's a fucking Oz Champion! Top effort from the Wezt Oztralian to knock out the brilliant Roy Jones Junior, but, what's more to do it all for the Mighty EELS!!!

Tony

In case you are interested - and I completely fail to see why you wouldn't be - I tacked on an addendum to the bottom of the post.

Russ

Thanks for the link Tony. I better finish writing it soon. After the weekend. The graphic I've been plugging went AWOL when you transposed the comments. So, here it is again: My Proposed Test Championship

The FTP hasn't been decided beyond 2012 either, incidentally. They are doing it right now, or thereabouts, (hence the increasing interest in formats and championships) for the period 2013-2016. It seems unlikely anything beyond a very basic set of quarters, semi-finals and final every couple of years between the 8 top ranked teams will occur.

Garner's thoughts were mentioned several times by Chappelli in Brisbane. They don't seem to get that the West Indies, for all their money troubles, are still able to play top-level cricket, and therefore in a vastly superior position to the associates being propped up with development money. I don't mind shifting some revenue to the Windies, but if it comes at the expense of 4 or 5 emerging nations what actually have you gained?

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