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m0nty

Evenly matched, bollocks. Maybe before KP got injured and Freddie broke down. If we can't beat them without their only two world-class players, then we're a rabble.

If we only cop one umpiring howler this Test then I would be very happy, because that would certainly drop the average.

Big Ramifications

predictions about how Australia already have the Fifth Test wrapped up

This.

This has got me very worried.

And what of the numerous Englishmen pushing this line of "reasoning"? Is this a case of double reverse psychology on their part?

m0nty - KP was a huge loss. Fack, that guy has heart. As big a loss as Pigeon for Australia when he rolled his ankle back in 2005.

[what's the Sportsbet odds on an outright England win?]

Big Ramifications

sorry, forgot to close the italics after the quote in the first line...

Adsy

Will this match be seen as the making or breaking of Ricky Ponting as Captain? There's a good article here that suggests this game will define his legacy.

If he comes out and makes a big hundred and the side wins, he comes out as a captain that has beaten South Africa and England away, without the stars the apparently good captains have had in the past. However lose and he becomes only the second Australian captain in history to lose two series in England (Billy Murdoch around 120 years ago was the first)

Captaining World Cups, 5-0 home Ashes whitewashes, and averaging 56 in Tests and 42 in ODI's will probably also include this fact. Not as big an asterisk as some other players we talk about, but still important all the same.

Tony

Let me get those leany letters for ya, Biggy Talics.

Russ

Fascinating (but entirely unsurprising) comment from Border in that article Adsy:

"I asked him about potentially sliding down the order to take some pressure off, but he wouldn’t hear of that. I think he’s still in a good place. He’s still very fit, still playing very well and he just loves the game."

These back to back tests have become such a habit that the wait between Headingly and here has seemed to be forever. Too long to make any predictions based on momentum, or some other rubbish. The series is all square, both sides are heavily flawed but evenly matched. At their best, Australia will win. If they aren't all there, and it is rare they are all there, they might win, but it won't be pretty.

Yobbo

"Will this match be seen as the making or breaking of Ricky Ponting as Captain?"

No, everyone has known for years he is a plodding and unimaginative captain. Winning or losing this test based on his own great batting won't change that. Captaincy and cricket skill are 2 different things. Making hundreds doesn't make you a good captain.

If you want examples of good captaincy, look at the ability of Steven Fleming to win matches where nobody in the team made a hundred and nobody bowled well either. He simply out-strategised the opposition.

Winning matches because Warney took 6/10 or Clarke makes 200 doesn't reflect on the captain in any way except for maybe saying good on him for remembering to pick that guy.

Adsy

I'm not for one minute trying to link Punter's personal form with his captaincy - Mark Taylor, being one of our great captains was an innings or two away from being dropped for his batting and can attest to that.

I still think after 60 Tests if you are able to win or at the very least save five out of every six matches (with a lot of dead rubber losses in that) you have to still be able to handle your side. He wouldn't have had that many chances with Warne and McGrath in the side to pull off the Fleming type captaincy moves. Whether or not these players had covered up his shortcomings is where I'm coming from - this is a perfect time to show if he knows his stuff.

The Old Batsman

Can't disagree with your analysis of England, worse luck, although yeah, we'd be better with the full, fit team on the pitch. Strauss is no boycott agreed, but I'd say he'll have given Edrich a run for his money once his test career is over.

Ponting's legacy as a captain is already made, I think. It'll only be redefined at the Oval by a loss. If he wins, he'll still rank below the last three.

The Don has risen

Both teams are ordinary.
Until Clark came in and brought pressure on at one end our bowlers were four bowlers.
Siddle is very very lucky to play test cricket. At some stage batsmen will wake up that to play Johnson to square up your stance and wait for the short ball to cut otherwise play him off the hip to leg. You have to be unlucky if the ball swings!
Hotels is our only decent bowler.

if the ball swings we are cactus. if it doesn't we score a lot.
England rely to much on a few batsman and their bowlers do not know what to do when the ball won't swing.
Freddie isn't a patch on 2005.

there are very few decent captains. to be sure Taylor was one and should have been dropped

Tony

If the ball swings ENGLAND are cactus, too.

The Don has risen

Tony Australian bowlers have only used the conditions well once.

The poms have a better record and we will noy have Clark

Tony

Noy according to 65-35 Crash.

Poms have had good swing conditions twice, us once. Both sides have cashed in when it suited.

RT

That online Craddock is good stuff. One bloke posed the Q - when was the last time the Pommie team didn't have a former captain in the side. Fair Q thought Crash, probably early 90's with Athers. Highlighting the Pommie lack of confidence.

Crash is entertain and pretty insightful. He was the first on the Symonds = idiot wagon early last year while all the others were fawning over the media darling. He should be an Inside Cricket regular when that comes back.

Adsy

Saw Crash on The Back Page with Mike Gibson, Billy Birmingham and "resident Sydney journo who only knows about league" the other night. Was quite good actually, knew a bit about most sports, but went full bore when it came to cricket. Would fit really well with the other guys on IC.

m0nty

Adsy: so that would be two journos on that panel who only know about league, then.

Adsy

Yes, it was quite leaguey. Anything AFL was met with a Darius Boyd level of scrutiny.

m0nty

Dammit, lost the toss. Sack Punter now before he does any more damage!

Bruce

GAH!!! Tails never fails Punter!!!

But no change to the line-up makes me happy.

Get stuck in boys - that first wicket could see another procession.

Adsy

I change my tune from before... everyone knows tails never fails Punter. Poor captaincy, he should have known that from the backyard. Even in Tassie.

m0nty

That pitch looks like a bloody road.

Lurker

Ponting- lousy tosser. Worth sacking on that score alone.

Hilfy's radar is off.

m0nty

Work that stupid lacquer off lads.

Tony

Evening, all.

Regarding the toss.

Ponting needs to consult an expert - me.

On the half dozen occasions I called a toss during my footy and cricket career, I tossed a coin in the rooms beforehand and whatever that toss came up with, I went with out on the ground.

I only lost once.

Tony

And I won every toss in the rooms.

Tony

Any chance Hilf will get his haus in order.

Lurker

Ah, that's a soft dismissal by Captain Cook.

Tony

Cook out!

Caught Ponting, bowled Sizzler!

Go you good, Vic. (And Tassie bloke.)

Spot on, Lurkio - soft Cook.

Bruce

SIZZZ!!!!!

Get into 'em now boys!

The new worst #3 in the world.

Tony

As the philosopher Townshend wrote:

"Meet the new worst, same as the old worst."

~~ Will Get Caught Again.

Tony

Crooky sinks the claws in:

Much better length from Siddle (to Cook) - excellent delivery. Horrid shot, mind - no need to touch those deliveries, and it was a meek, indecisive little poke. Talking of such things - here's Ian Bell.
m0nty

Strauss out, all out, this mob. The slips need to start chirping at him more.

Lurker

Asud Rauf looks ridiculous with his nose swathed in suncream.

It is odd that Pakistan's leading export these days appears to be competent cricket umpires.

m0nty

Ha ha, Bell gloved one behind, no one went up.

Tony

That's off the wrist band.

Just walk, Sherm. You know you were out.

Tony

Lurk: "It is odd that Pakistan's leading export these days appears to be competent cricket umpires."

And terro... ahem.

m0nty

TMS already talking about appealing for the light.

m0nty

Teensy bit of shape for Clark's first nut.

Tony

TMS are always praying for interruptions. Gives them a chance to go with their favourite past-time: talking about cakes.

Tony

Want to read a footy rumour?

No?

I'll tell you anyway:

Story doing the rounds about Tom Scully, the consensus number 1 pick.

He was brought up by his single mum and Carlton are now in the process of trying to prove that his biological father played 100+ games for them and that they can take him father/son.

All sounds crazy, but this is Carlton we are talking about.

m0nty

Come on Johnno, this is your series to win.

Tony

Come on, Sherm, you hack. Just get off. Put us out of your misery.

m0nty

I read that rumour on the large football site, TT. Fair to say it's vying for the most ridiculous rumour of the year.

Lurker

How did Ian Bell ever get past county cricket? He's really not much chop at playing the short ball.

Tony

Mont. I posted it as a gag on Demonland and so far not too many people have taken it seriously.

Didn't know it was on Large Football. Will have a slum now, see what they say.

m0nty

Ah, so you're the culprit! Well played if so.

Tony

Can't find it on BF. (Actually, I can barely ever find anything on BF.)

Is there a link?

m0nty

Hmm, I think it may have been deleted. That was where I saw it though.

Tony

Not great bowling this morning. Not bad. Probably down to the lack of life in the track.

Looks like the Poms took a punt on Ponting calling the toss wrong and have made sure the track will turn big time when they bowl last.

Although, just now Stuey has got some nice shape.

Tony

Typical. The BF set-up is all over the shop.

My DL post is here.

Tony

Bell is looking pseudo-ominous. He is going to hack, clunk and plop his way to a score.

m0nty

Bell's done a hammy. Perfick.

Nick

Obviously Bells heart is in his leg.

Tony

Surely Bell hasn't done a hammy?!?

(Beautiful, Nick.)

Send out the physio and another set of gloves.

Nick

Muscle tear secondary to hair product overdose.

m0nty

Good ball to a bloke with a gammy leg, Hotels.

Tony

Around 1/100 at lunch, 3/300 at stumps, all out 500+.

Then the pitch starts turning.

This is looking ugly.

Nick

Isn't this where Warne comes on and bowls Strauss?

Tony

This pitch is so easy for batting Bell is set to accidentally make the worst 100 in the history of Test cricket.

Tony

Where's Hauritz? What goose wanted a four man pace attack?

m0nty

Evidently the English authorities have settled on a 1-1 draw as a moral victory.

Bruce

I think this pitch might be setup for a reverse swing setup. Make it dry to scuff things up because they think reverse is where they have the edge.

Bruce

It's full value for shots out there. 20 boundaries already and not that many pies have been sent down.

Tony

There can be no doubt the Poms have got a pitch made to order. The very last thing they wanted was a track with life which would assist the Aussies main weapon.

Lurker

Not enough solid line and length bowling and too much roobish! Oh well.

m0nty

Piss off Strauss, shocking shot, on yer bike ya Vark.

m0nty

That was a lovely mozz by Maxwell, talking up how well Strauss had been leaving the ball. Then the big Saffer hangs his bat out to dry and gets a nick. Big pole.

Nick

Picked it. Remember two tests ago when Strauss got out after a break...
Now through the hardcasing, now for the soft chewy middle. But...pies for 200?

Tom Le

Nah, Colly to go in single figures...

Tony

We've started already? I was watching The Family Guy. This low, slow road is Pies' dream track.

Tony

Why are short sleeves called shirt sleeves?

Nick

KP wouldhave been carving us up at 3 here.

Nick

This will be the softest Test 100 ever from Bell.

Tony

50 to Bell?!? You have got to be kidding me. Been a long time since I've seen a more undeserving score.

Nick

In the pantheon of aesthetic crimes, Bell and Pies are up there with Krab and Jaques.

Russ

Evening all. Not exactly a great start. I'm blaming Bruce for anti-mozzing Bell earlier. Still, could be worse. Clark is keeping the game in check, without looking terribly dangerous either.

m0nty

CMJ on TMS has just called Hotels "pigeon-toed" twice in five minutes.

Russ

If Bell had such trouble with the short ball earlier, why haven't we bowled one at him in the past 30 minutes. He looks just fine flicking them off his pads.

Adsy

Was just going to say Russ theres been a bloody lot down the leg side in the first session, but I missed a bit watching the last 30 minutes of Zulu on Fox Classics. A bit like the Aussies at Cardiff - swarming all over them but couldn't or wouldn't finish them off when they had the chance.

Tony

Time to bring back Johnson to stick a few into Bell's throat.

Nick

If Pies had a set, that would have finished him. Ps : nice no ball to end Strauss' innings...

Tony

It's absurdly simple to hit fours on this billiard table.

m0nty

Come to think of it, Bell does look a bit like Michael Caine.

Nick

Poms 2.85 to win. 2.25 the draw. 3.60 Oz the win...

Tony

Nick, you're right. Just read it on Crooky. Fiasco D'Umpiring 2009 continues.

Nick

However, my mate Ravi reckons the Tie at 500 to 1 is a safe bet.

Tony

Is Ravi's idea of a safe bet also Melbourne for the 2009 premiership?

Nick

Ravi says even getting Melbourne into the 8 would be a suspicion arousing feat...hansie died trying to do it...

Russ

"Ideal" was the best thing on during the luncheon interval. Took me a while to work out what was going on, but it has its charms.

For some weird reason Hilf's bowling action reminds me of Steve Waugh. Not exactly a promising comparison, but he's bowling moderately well. Studs on the other hand, is a danger to his slips coordon and his average.

And what a bloody disgraceful use of statistics that "leading wicket taker" list is. Spinners make the list because they have long careers you blithering twits. Start by comparing the average of all bowlers, not the f'n top dozen, then realise that even that is, at best, largely irrelevant to the question over Ritz.

m0nty

Was Hansie the real father of Tom Scully?

Adsy

Talking about Zulu, do you reckon if the Poms win this they will hand out VC's instead of OBE's? Interesting comparisons below:

Corporal William Wilson Allen = Cook
Lieutenant Gonville Bromhead = Strauss
Lieutenant John Rouse Merriott Chard = Bell
Acting Assistant Commissary James Langley Dalton = Collingwood
Private Frederick Hitch = Trott
Private Alfred Henry Hook = Flintoff heheh
Private Robert Jones = Prior
Private William Jones = Broad
Surgeon Major James Henry Reynolds = Anderson
Corporal Christian Ferdinand Schiess = Swann
Private John Williams = Harmison

Also, five men were awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medal. They were:

Colour Sergeant Frank Bourne = Panesar
Private John William Roy, The only Scottish defender at Rorke's Drift = KP
Second Corporal Michael McMahon, His medal was later withdrawn for desertion = Bopara hahaha
Second Corporal Francis Attwood Army Service Corps = Andy Flower
Wheeler John Cantwell Royal Horse Artillery = Onions

Tony

Gotta get Siddle on. Or Katich.

Nick

Looking at the Poms line up, Hansie might be the father of the future of England cricket.

Russ

10 no balls and 2 wides in 40 overs is a very ordinary effort.

Nick

Given that Hauritz would have come in for Clark or Siddle, and Clarks holding up sn end and Siddles got s top order wicket, how would you put Hauritz in this side? Warne for Siddle - yes.

Tony

Watto's health is injured.

Russ

That's an oddly shaped white mark on the bat being referred to as "nothing" there. Not that Pies was necessarily out there, mind, I just wouldn't mind a few more looks.

Tony

Must admit, I didn't think it was out; both live and in replay.

Tony

Snicko was more generous to the Aussies. A nick, but hard to match it with the bat/ball movement.

Russ

The spin of the ball is always the best indicator of an edge, which, to me, indicated a little nick. Not a big nick though, and no surprise it wasn't given.

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