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Throbber

fuck

Tony

That's a big huddle of embracement. Very wild dogs.

When are the English players going to shake Aussie hands?

TomL

...ing great!

pat

The difference was Studsy's overs of tripe and 4 wickets that shouldn't have been.

To still get as close as 115 runs indicates that with some selection changes and some decent umpiring Oz has the team to take the series.

Tony

The bowling in the first session and the batting in the sixth. Crucial, rubbish cricket.

Pick your collective games up, Aus.

Throbber

For Aus Studs has to go, this mornings knock notwithstanding.
England best hope their two stand out players are fit for the next test... Debbie and Rudi.

m0nty

How did we beat the Saffers? I forget now.

Tony

SA? How? We won the toss.

I hear on the grapevine that if Ponting wins the toss at Edgbaston he intends to send England in.

pat

Yes - forgot about the batting in the sixth. That was crap.

Studsy, 4 wickets and batting in the 6th session. Change that and we win.

As for Debbie getting down on his knees with arms outstretched to be worshipped like some syphilis mad Ceasar drunk with vainglory and unrestrained hubris, gorging on peasantry on his Isle of Capris - I'll have none of it.

I'd make the Oz team watch those scenes over and over till the next Test. They'll be insane with rage and lusting for revenge.

I know I am.

Throbber

I see Rudi gets his trophy for MVP.

Russ

Wait... did Magilla just complain about not being able to maintain pressure at both ends? Bloody hell, not that he's wrong mind, he's dead right, just to hear it coming from him.

Swings and roundabouts, both sides are horridly inconsistent. They escaped, we lost. We can easily win or at least draw the series with three games to come.

Tony

That's the stuff, Rick. You gots to laugh, and get 'em laughing with you.

Throbber

Strauss says "we're not going to get carried away"
Better have a word with Debbie then.

Tony

How come everyone talks about Flintoff in 2005 and here, but forgets he captained them to a 0-5 white-washed embarrassment?

pat

I'm surprised Debbie didn't just drop his strides and invite the crowd to come up one by one and kiss his ring. And I'm sure each and every pom would be falling over themselves at the opportunity.

Throbber

Strauss can feel a bit peeved i think.
Debbie gets man of the match for less than a sessions bowling, taking a few tail enders wickets. Whereas Strauss had a knock that set his team up for a win. Admittedly against some woeful bowing, but still it was his and Cooks opening stand that set them up for the win.

pat

Quite agree Throbber. As good as Deb was (he was gifted two wickets in that 5 by the umps), this surely was Strauss' game (as much as I hate him too).

Tony

Almost time for Footy Classified. Anything is better than watching happy Poms.

pat

Eels beat the Storm. Sigh, this cloud has a silver lining after all.

m0nty

Tone: Good call. Necessary call.

Tony

Who's the first lady of cricket?

Tony

Harbhajan?

Throbber

Eels may have beaten the Storm Pat... but the Sharks lost again the other night.... woe.

m0nty

First lady of cricket would be that blonde girly who plays for Australia, Ellyse Perry.

RT

Options for Test 3. Very limited. Squad selection and injury decided that.

Lee, Watson - risky. What if Bruised Toenail is injured in session 1, day 1? He cannot be risked. Lee for Stud makes a bit of sense but he must play in the tour game, look dangerous and get wickets.
Boiled, Manou - they haven't seen a centre wicket therefore surely cannot be considered. Unless something magical happens in the tour game. if they're even picked for that that is.
Clark - has missed the boat due to Hilf. Hilf's been great, so Stu unfortunately stays sidelined.

Tour game still a relevant pointer but can't see any change at this stage.

Ian Chappell said on radio "For pure technique I cannot recall seeing an uglier opening pair than Hughes and Katich". Someone else said "Johnson's action is almost resembling Malinga's". Chappell interestingly raised Clint McKay's name in dispatches.

What's Troy Cooley doing? He's like a MI5 plant.

Prior's keeping has improved, he was crap early daze, why the f*ck hasn't Haddin's? Neilsen's an ex-keeper too?!

Can't beat ourselves up too much, as the Poms have looked less than impressive bar brilliant Freddie and Strauss cameos.

We have to show something this series (ie win it) as a Windies / Paki test series at home, NZ away tour is hardly mouthwatering redemption. The Ashes '10/11 would be a long, festering wait.

Vindicate

If Studsy doesn't deliver in the tour match, bring Clark in - he surely can't be any worse than the pie-chucking effort Studsy is serving up.

Throbber

Take the punt on Lee, he scares the shit out of the Poms.

Tony

He scares the shit out of me.

Throbber

Also and probably more pertinent... what other choice do we have?
Clark I guess... but......

Russ

We could leave the attack as is?

This might seem an odd statement, but they didn't do that badly. Oh sure, they leaked runs, they failed to attain control of the scoring or the game, and they failed to take 20 wickets. BUT in spite of arguably the worst performance of their short careers they also rolled England for just over 400, and had them 6/300 in the second dig - despite some horrid fielding/catching by their more experienced team-mates. That is not that bad. A little improvement and they are competitive.

The bowlers were bad - horrid actually - but they didn't lose Australia the game. The batsmen did that. Two top-order collapses is shite, umpiring errors or no. All out for just over 200 is shite. Making 400 is alright, but we could have made a lot more - enough to win, actually. You can't win tests if you are bowled out in less than 2 days. Not unless the pitch is questionable, and your bowling on fire.

The bowlers are underdone, that's for sure. Nielsen and Ponting need kicking for under-bowling Studs in the warmups. But if the same team rolled out at Edgbaston, I wouldn't complain. As much as I'd like to see Clark (and probably more-so McDonald) playing, unless there is no turn on offer, in which case ditch Ritz, the alternative isn't necessarily better.

And we certainly can't shorten the batting. Not after their efforts in the last test. Re-ordering though, well, that is a different story... I'd still like to see Hussey and Hughes open with Krab at three... good luck moving the captain though.

Throbber

You make some very good points Russ.
My thoughts re Studs tho are that unless he can get it back to 100% in the upcoming tour game, its in his best interests to not play in the next test.
More thrashing and crook bowling may well hurt him for good - both in terms of reputation but moreso in his head. he's clearly struggling at the moment but underneath that is a damn fine bowler - as we saw in SA.
I do think it's in his interest to go away and work it out, on tour games and back in the Sheild. The cauldron that is an Ashes test in a tight series in England is no place for him to work on his bowling.
Other players have had a spell and come back much better for the break - I think Studs would benefit from it at this point.
Who knows a couple of tour games and he may sort it - and come back to bowl Aus to victory at Headingly or the Oval.

As for the batsmen - they all need a good long spell in the room of mirrors. Every one of them - Pup and Haddin included.

sid smith

I'd never seen Johnson bowl b4 this series, and had the same "Malinga" flash as someone here. Does he always have his arm so low? He's kinda bowling across the line - like a batsman hitting across the line but even more difficult.

Russ

Sid, no, he is always "slingy" and jerky (he's an ugly bowler to watch at the best of times), but his arm has generally been higher. If you jump on youtube and look at footage from South Africa you'll see Studs arm was quite high, which also meant he was getting surprising bounce, and therefore able to rip through defences when he bowled fuller.

Studs is frightening on his day, but he was never going to be the day in day out wicket-taker. He'll once or twice rip England to shreds and win the game for us though. But, to do that he needs overs, bucketloads of them, and he hasn't had them. Not least because of the daft plan to get Lee into the side, and not play Studs in the tour games.

Siddle is the bigger worry, he has been far more expensive than normal. He won't rip through a side, and he needs to stop trying and concentrate on keeping the pressure on.

nick

http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/415827.html
http://www.cricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/current/story/415835.html

'I didn't see it'
'The players make it hard'
'We should use the technology'

I can't believe that Rudi thinks these thoughts exonerate him.

The sooner he goes the better.

Throbber

Sounds like he was determined not to give the Aussies a break at all and is now busy justifying it to all and sundry.
Home town decisions and all.
He's a goose - retire him.

Why can't we have Daryl Hair in every test. At least he tries to enforce the laws.

sid smith

Pieterson out for rest of the series. A shock - but we won at Lord's without him doing anything special.

Bell's been going great guns at country level and will be the replacement, I'm sure, with the handy side-effect of Bopara getting pushed down the order. And Bell's a far better fielder than KP.

A shock, yes, but I'm actually kind of interested to see how Bell goes.

sid smith

Oops. For 'country' read 'county'.

Tony

You wanna know something for nothin?

I'll tell you anyway.

Freddie bowled well, right.

Hardly a bad ball. Sustained aggression. Good bounce. Over 90.

Love it.

However.

He got a five-for that included two shockers, the keeper, and two of the tail.

He cleaned up an innings.

Yet he, and his fans, celebrated like he had bagged a triple hat-trick on a dead pitch to bundle out Australia who had been chasing 50 in a Test that everyone had, up until his "inspired" burst, considered lost.

In fact: apropos amazing deeds. There was more than the isolated comparison to Headingly in 1981. That was an amazing win.

Cleaning up a tail, with a new ball, on a last morning, of a Test that was already won, was not.

Infredible? I think not.

Adsy

I guess it was much better than our bowlers could do on the last day at Cardiff.

That's the difference.

RT

The Watson to open "and I can probably bowl 12-15 overs in a day" idea does have some merit. Hughes will surely get another chance but he really is under scrutiny. Those pair of 100's in Durban must seem like a dream. If Watson bruises a delicate digit bowling at least he can pull on the pads, hopefully without further injuring himself. His batting technique is reasonably sound and he did open for Qld on various occasions.

Throbber

Tony, I agree completely about Freddie.
Yes he bowled well but it was the worst five for ever, and what's worse is it was only his third ..... ever.
Yes he's not a bad player at all.
However - He is overrated.

Throbber

Watson... purlease!!!!
Pick him and he'll pull a muscle combing his hair before play.
He's a waste of space.

Vindicate

Pieterson has really done rock all for the poms so far, my reaction was less "oh goody now we have a chance", to "Shit, I hope Bell can't do any better". As I recall Bell did three fifths of fvck all in '07 - mind you the same could be said for most of the england side in that tour.

sid smith

Big piece in the London Evening Standard about what's (allegedly) wrong with yer man Johnson - women. Sorry if this is old news to you Aussies.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23723147-details/Aussie+reduced+to+Ashes+by+mother%27s+clash+with+girlfriend/article.do

(How do I do proper embedded links then?)

Tony

Sid, the Johnson family saga is providing much in the way of headlines.

Regarding linkage: look here.

sid smith

Dear me. I do hope our lads in the slip cordon don't say anything to upset the poor fellow.

Mum's the word!

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