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chris88

From the article: "Over the years, fast bowlers have thrown their quicker balls, rubbed in creams, raised the seam, applied bottle tops and much else without attracting undue interest. And they can hurt people."

Without attracting undue interest???!!?!? Is that the best you can do to legitimise Murali's cheating Peter, to profer complete bullshit about fast bowlers.

Geez, he's getting worried.

He's. A. Chucker. Read these words and repeat

Adsy

I liked the next line on:

"Inevitably, spinners also sought an edge as a means of survival. Accordingly, they tried to add to their repertoire by experimenting with arm, wrist and finger actions."

Yeah, by flexing their arms beyond the LEGAL limits, allowing them to spin the ball more than the Paul Adamses and other genuine spinners of the world and therefore taking wickets 'by default' in my opinion.

And further:

"No one had considered the possibility of sending the ball down with a back rather than forward jerk. All the regulations had been produced to eliminate the sort of actions seen in coconut shys"

Now thats a crock of shit if ever I have heard it. People have eyes. I don't hear anyone saying "Oh he doesn't chuck it because it comes out of the back of his hand" A throw is a throw is a throw. Is a throw! His backwards yo-yo action has more to do with his wrist action doesn't it? Maybe I have Murali all wrong. Who knows?

But the Original Spankster summed up this whole issue with this line...

"Officialdom has searched in vain for a satisfactory resolution. Everything and nothing has happened. Murali has kept bowling. Indeed, the laws of the game have been changed to accommodate him"

To continue with my paraphrasing, of Tony this time... "Hayden. LBW. Kandy."

Tony.T

It's a stupid article, Chris. Rank apologia with a bucketload of disingenuous fact evasion smeared with a glut of heart-string tugging. He sounds like Terry Wallace.

And how about....

"In criminal matters, a man cannot be tried twice for the same offence."

Flagrant bending of the truth. The doosra is NOT the same offence. What's more, Roebuck knows it and chooses to ignore it.

The more I think of it, the more it occurs that the article's got more holes than Swiss cheese. To be even blunter, it's a fuck-up all round.

"He's. A. Chucker." Ahhh, that's better.

Ads, I wasn't aware you'd seen the Haydos dismissal. As gross a toss as ever there was.

Did you notice the TV cameras in Sri Lanka generally spent fuck all time highlighting Murali's action. Nearly all the slo-mo dismissal replays started with the ball leaving the bowlers hand with scant attention paid to the action in full. I may be getting paranoid, and it may just be that the resources in Sri Lanka weren't as good, but just imagine if Channel 9 were on the job.

However, you occasionally got a good look a ball, and the Hayden dismissal in Kandy was one. Not that I needed a slo-mo replay to spot it, normal speed showed it clearly. The upshot? Anyone who denies that ball was a chuck is a dead set liar. (I reckon 30 degrees at least) And anyone who thinks Murali is going to put that amount of work on the ball in the UWA sheds is also a liar.

"Hayden. LBW. Kandy." Betterer.

D`Anerah[IW]

A chucker!

Someone who vomits after a hard night on the piss.

Right?

Adsy

Yeah I was watching when he rolled that ball down. "He's kidding isn't he" were the first words out of my mouth when he bowled it too. A bit strange seeing I was talking to myself but the fact I answered myself with "He's got to be!" was even worse.

There's no doubt that if he bowled like that in any country with developed camera systems the doubt about his legitimacy would vanish.

Actually I will rephrase: in countries with developed camera systems THAT DON'T TRY TO HIDE HIS ACTION FROM WORLD VIEW BY NOT SHOWING IT UP CLOSE...

I have some questions though: Seeing Murali was reported, went through testing to see how far he threw it, was shown to be outside the law by DOUBLE the amount... then why the fork is he still bowling? What has the ICC done about the findings? If he is allowed to play, then why is he still allowed to bowl the delivery in question? I heard he took a couple of wickets with the dodgy doosra against the Zims, and whilst its a long bow to draw, which poor young blokes' international career has he wrecked by bowling this illegal delivery?? In Australia's point of view, Big Roy Symonds could have seen his test aspirations dented, perhaps permanently because of Murali getting him out on a number of occasions over there.

Just a suggestion, dunno how practical it is, but could you employ the same kind of camera that is used in the Matrix films (You know the part where Trinity jumps in the air to kick that coppers head in and the cameras are able to pan around 360 degrees) to film Murali in a game? You could watch him bowl from every concievable angle, none of this bullshit about optical illusions, and armed with the report showing that he chucks it TWICE as much as is allowed, you could present a watertight case that would go along the lines of:

Fix it up or fork off... or words to that effect.

Adsy

Another Hawks style apology:

Please disregard my previous post as I obviously didn't read the above mentioning that the ICCC (International Cricket Council of Crap) had come out with their statement. I'm sorry for anyone I may have offended or hurt due to my behaviour, especially my family and girlfriend (imaginary so she will understand) and I am distraught at getting them into this situation. Cue tear wiping at this point...

He's still throws it...

Clem Snide

When I was a nipper, I had Roebuck as a cricket coach during a one week cricket school he ran during school holidays. I learned quite a few useful tips, but my lasting memory of him was his pedantic insistence on fieldsmen returning the ball OVER the stumps to the bowler or keeper, as against hitting the stumps, even when the ball was patted away to an infield position. As umpire in our practise games, he reduced the non-striker's end to a single stump. If a ball was returned by a fieldsman that looked like hitting the single stump, Roebuck would put his hand in front to catch the ball in order to prevent a run out, or simply refuse to give the run out if the ball hit the stumps at the other end. On the other hand, if ball was returned over the stump, he would grab the ball, tap the stump and give the batsman out, even if he made his ground. I'm glad Ricky Ponting never had him as a fielding coach.

With the boundaries of our playing area somewhat ill-defined, he was also wildly inconsistent in calling fours, with the decision being influenced more by the closeness of the game than the distance that the ball travelled. I mention all this because I think it puts Roebuck's world view in some sort of perspective.

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