When it comes to tossing, Nasser Hussain is the go-to guy. Or was, before Ponting's Edgbaston brain explosion. Anyway, Nass is spot on when he says the toss today is crucial and in doing so he hits, indirectly, on something that has been bugging me over the last few seasons - the toss has become TOO important. It's not comfortable sitting here, fingers and toes crossed, hoping Ponting wins or Freddie loses. It shouldn't be like that. Sure, luck is a large part of any sport, but cricket is too fantastic a game to be decided by pure tin-arse luck. Is there another way to decide who bats and bowls first? Maybe there could be one toss at the start of a series with the winner getting to pick whether he bats or bowls in the first test, and thereafter the roles alternate. Of course, that means home team groundstaff can prepare wickets to suit in advance. I dunno. There's got to be another way.
Don't lose toss, 'Fred'ENGLAND faces its moment of truth if Andrew Flintoff loses the toss in today's second Test at Adelaide Oval, according to former skipper Nasser Hussain. Hussain threw away the Ashes when he sent Australia into bat in the first Test of the 2002-03 series in Brisbane.
He hopes "Freddie" Flintoff calls correctly today with England 1-0 down in the five-Test series. "It is absolutely crucial," said Hussain, who watched Australia pile on 492 in its first innings at the Gabba four years ago. "If the toss goes the other way it will be biggest Test of the careers of Flintoff and (coach) Duncan Fletcher."
Don't be mislead by the title, I like Nasser Hussain. He makes for a refreshing break from the likes of Ian Botham, Bob Willis and Paul Allott.
Rock paper scissors? Ruler splits?
Posted by: DJ | 01 December 2006 at 09:48
Well, I didn't expect this:
Posted by: Tony.T | 01 December 2006 at 10:59
I don't think the toss is THAT decisive in this match. It's on matches like Bombay in 2004 that you have to worry.
The team that bats first has a nominal advantage only. They still have to bat well.
Posted by: Scott Wickstein | 01 December 2006 at 11:11
Fuck!
Posted by: Tony.T | 01 December 2006 at 11:12
I just like to bowl last, Wicki. It generally removes the Bat Last nightmare.
Posted by: Tony.T | 01 December 2006 at 11:13
Very true that.
Posted by: Scott Wickstein | 01 December 2006 at 12:34
Are you watching the match, Wicky? What's the pitch like?
Posted by: Tony.T | 01 December 2006 at 12:36
Strauss early on that shot. Slow pitch, I take it?
Stuey Clark - wicket machine. Drinks break - wicket machine.
Posted by: Tony.T | 01 December 2006 at 12:39
Yeah its a bit slow, but there's even bounce, no movement, you can play your shots. Typical Adelaide pitch really.
Posted by: Scott Wickstein | 01 December 2006 at 13:04
What can you say about Stuey Clark? I mean apart from "he's better than John McGuire."
Posted by: Tony.T | 01 December 2006 at 13:13
He looks like a teachers pet?
England look mentally like they are right under the cosh now. So much for winning the toss and batting.
Posted by: Scott Wickstein | 01 December 2006 at 13:20
P'raps that he's the most innocuous looking fast bowler since, well, whenever.
I mean, you had to have been fearful of wicket machines like Lillee, Marshall, Proctor or Hadlee. They looked fierce, or weird in Hadlee's case.
Posted by: Mr Z | 01 December 2006 at 13:22
2 fer not too many. Good start by the Aussies and Clark should be leading the attack.
Posted by: Bruce | 01 December 2006 at 13:31
Well Pigeon hardly looks devastating either. No one actually crapped their pants facing him. They get out but they don't crap their pants.
Posted by: Scott Wickstein | 01 December 2006 at 13:32
Warne getting plenty of bounce & turn, great to watch the eyes popping out of Bell & C'scums heads. 1st session summary, England far too cautious, Clarke & Warne have them in a full (Mjr) Nelson.
One can only muse at the tactics / strategy set down by that guru, Fletcher. Picks the wrong 11 & tells the batsmen to be far too watchful on a belter of a strip!
Posted by: Snr Nubi | 01 December 2006 at 13:39
Ok, McGrath might not look fierce, but his potty mouth more than makes up for it.
Posted by: Mr Z | 01 December 2006 at 14:02
Toss is not so important in Australia as the pitches usually have a bit early, flatten out, crumble and turn.
The first session can set the scene very much.
Our annual tonk and piss up game is where the toss is crucial. Team batting second has only won once in 8 years. Batting while drunk is harder than keeping Beazley to two syllables or less per word.
Posted by: The (whmecdm) President | 01 December 2006 at 14:09
Student in class just said "England are four down." Then he's like "Oops, no their not. They're still two down."
I failed him on the spot.
Posted by: Tony.T | 01 December 2006 at 15:03
Then he said they were 2 for 59, at which point I burst out "Nine runs?!? In forty minutes?!?"
Hadn't factored in the Croweaterness of the situation. (I would say "my bad" but that's the worst saying known to man.)
Posted by: Tony.T | 01 December 2006 at 15:06
I'll let that pass wide outside off stump.
Can't blame you for failing the student though.
Posted by: Scott Wickstein | 01 December 2006 at 15:16
Wicked the way he got my hopes up. I hate it when that happens. Like when Nine are doing yet another replay and you think it's live.
He even said "Colliwobbles - Collingwood's out. So's Bell." Dunno what he was looking at. Maybe it was Maxwell Smart's shoephone.
Posted by: Tony.T | 01 December 2006 at 15:21
Two runs an over? Jesus! Fletch's plan revealed: bore them into submission.
Posted by: Tony.T | 01 December 2006 at 15:34
Tire the bowlers into submission anyway. Given we've turned to Clarke it might be working. Is Brett Lee bowling badly? Or as he normally does, which just happens to be unacceptable on an Adelaide road.
Posted by: Russ | 01 December 2006 at 15:43
As I said somewhere else, Fletcher's plan is for England to bat like Boycott.
Unfortunately, with the team selection, he seems to want them to bowl like Boycott as well.
Posted by: Mr Z | 01 December 2006 at 15:46
OMG Nine has seriously listed the sightscreen operator that took a catch at Brisbane for the Classic Catches.
Posted by: Scott Wickstein | 01 December 2006 at 16:25
Well, it wasn't a bad grab. Nonchalant.
The CCs stopped being "classic" yonks ago. Now they're just another retail opportunity. The next bloke to snag one in the crowd is a monty to be nominated.
Brett Lee is flippin' hopeless. Unless he finds a surprise ball (other than "Fuck me, that was on the right line and length!") he'll find himself out of the side.
Posted by: Tony.T | 01 December 2006 at 16:54
I just saw CrookInfo, Russ. Did you write that comment straight after Bell tonked Lee for two fours? If you did that's premium mozzing.
Posted by: Tony.T | 01 December 2006 at 16:56
I wish, I wrote that sometime between Lee being dragged from his second spell, and the short bit of aggression before the tea interval.
Interesting last half hour coming up. I'd say honours even so far. Maybe slighly in England's favour.
Posted by: Russ | 01 December 2006 at 18:03
If there's no wicket - Day 1 to England.
Posted by: Tony.T | 01 December 2006 at 18:06
Dare one say that Collingwood & Pieterson will go at least 10 runs better this time?
Posted by: Mr Z | 01 December 2006 at 18:15
They look set, alright, and our bowling seems to lack penetration. At least that's the impression I got listening to the radio. Sometimes, even when you can't see what's going on, you get the feeling wickets are only a moment away. Not today. Why didn't Stuey bowl more?
As it stands tonight an Aussie win looks doubtful. We better hope England bowl as badly as they did in Brisbane because it's looking like we'll be in for a big chase.
Posted by: Tony.T | 01 December 2006 at 19:58
2 wickets and its all over. Pietersen would have been out on the 2nd last ball of the day if McGrath wasn't so old and decrepit.
I wouldn't be utterly suprised to see England bowled out for 350. Still hard for Australia to win from there but not ridiculously so.
Posted by: Yobbo | 01 December 2006 at 23:19
Gotta give a bit of cred to the Pommers for some fight today at least- but their sense of negativity still hits me hard, leaving out the new 'Turbanator' for a bloke who doesn't turn it. The new day promises a quick breakthrough and another late order collapse, can't see the likes of Jones, Giles etc getting too many. Our blokes will love this pitch and will LOVE their attack.
I keep hearing rumours about this Monty Panasar bloke- how he will bowl us out. Can't see it myself. He is a left arm spinner. Nothing more. Nothing less. Just.a.left.arm.spinner. Ok ?
Posted by: Brett Pee | 02 December 2006 at 02:13
Ponting once again underwhelms with his captaincy. McGrath was only supposed to get in if he was 100%. Well, he is in and he's not. Further good work to go with only 4 bowlers, and then leave the most threatening one twiddling his thumbs half the day.
This whole Panesar thing is getting out of hand. Sure, he's a fine bowler, but he's no Warne. If England are to threaten a win here it will be because Fred(and possibly Anderson) reverses it and Harmy locates his radar.
Posted by: woody | 02 December 2006 at 02:36
"This whole Panesar thing is getting out of hand. Sure, he's a fine bowler, but he's no Warne. "
The point is that Panesar is a wicket-taking bowler and Giles is an "all rounder" who doesn't take many wickets but can bat a bit.
If you want to win a test match you need to take 20 wickets. Giles isn't going to help you with that, but Panesar might.
Posted by: Yobbo | 02 December 2006 at 06:58
Well, it will be interesting to see how Australia go chasing 600, won't it?
Posted by: Scott Wickstein | 02 December 2006 at 13:49
It's shaping up as a mirror image of the first test. We are a monty to bat shit-house when we finally get our turn. How often are we rubbish in this situation? Every test playing nation knows the best way to beat Straya is to bat first, bat us out of the game and then watch us fold. The big question could be whether Flinty enforces the follow-on.
Unless we suddenly find a Lillee, the smart money should be on England to retain the Ashes.
Posted by: Tony.T | 02 December 2006 at 14:13
Can someone wake me up when this is all over. I just about lapsed into a coma during the second session yesterday, and today has been worse.
Typical old-fashioned Boycott-style English cricket - boring as batshit. Unless we provide the entirely possible predicted collapse, this'll be a draw. The Poms should be on about 500 by now - I saw the ground yesterday, and it was a scoring paradise. Instead, they're on 349 after luch (day 2). We got that in day one in Brissie, and I doubt that that was a better batsman's pitch. If they didn't have Jaapie, they'd be on about 250. What a waste.
Posted by: 13thMan | 02 December 2006 at 14:19
There is that, 13. The best thing for Straya now - now that we're unlikely to win - is for the Poms to dawdle on to six hundred in two and a half days and not leave themselves enough time to bowl us out twice.
If we manage to avoid said follow-on, it can only be a draw.
Posted by: Tony.T | 02 December 2006 at 14:27
This is painful to watch.
Posted by: Scott Wickstein | 02 December 2006 at 15:39
So painful, I'm not even watching it.
Posted by: Tony.T | 02 December 2006 at 15:43
Good plan that.
Posted by: Scott Wickstein | 02 December 2006 at 15:47
Yeah - I couldn't even be arsed going in again today. It's a sad indictment of the much-heralded series of the friggin' century when members can't be stuffed going in to see the second day. Jaapie just got run out though - must have been tired.
Posted by: 13thMan | 02 December 2006 at 17:02
Six for - it's a collapse.
Posted by: Tony.T | 02 December 2006 at 17:20
Richie went "PING!"
Posted by: Tony.T | 02 December 2006 at 17:52
B Lee 34 1 139 1 4.08 (8nb, 1w)
GD McGrath 30 5 107 0 3.56
SR Clark 34 6 75 3 2.20
SK Warne 53 9 167 1 3.15 (1w)
MJ Clarke 17 2 53 0 3.11
After barely scraping in a pass mark for the first test Brett Lee is now back at the bottom of the class. Yet somehow retains second favourite for most wickets in the series? Maybe they got confused with most runs conceded.
Stuart Clark is currently $3 for most wickets in the series afer starting at $17. That looks like a special to me right now.
Posted by: Bruce | 02 December 2006 at 19:40
Nice batting by The Pies and Yarpie, too bad it'll only amount to a draw.
Posted by: Vindicate | 02 December 2006 at 20:10
"the smart money is on England to retain the ashes" ? What the ? Tony- that is virtually tantamount to heresy in these parts mate. If Paul Collingwood can bore himself to 206 (yes, it happened!) then the likes of Punts and Haydos must be dreaming of Lara ! The Pommers only threatening bowler is the Captain and All-Rounder Freddie the Caveman. Is he going to take 10-200 in both digs ? No chance. I punt on a high scoring draw and then onto the next Test.
Keep the faith.
Posted by: Brett Pee | 02 December 2006 at 20:31
Christ, Tone, you sound like one of us long-suffering poms. We've turned middle and late order collapses into an art form, which explains why we don't do reckles abandon as much as your boys. There isn't a hope in hell of us taking 20 wickets on any surface in Australia without Simon Jones and an in form Harmy, with Panesar chucking in a few.
Yobbo:
I'm not saying Monty shouldn't be playing - he clearly should. It's just that some people would have you believe he just needs to turn up to skittle your pensioners.
Posted by: woody | 02 December 2006 at 21:14
Lunch on Sunday (not my lunch) will give us a decent insight as to the result (draw). The flat track gives the impression that punter, Hayden & co should be seeing it pretty well. 'Tavare' Collingwood's 200, yeah I too tuned out it was torture....Mind, the bowlings (Lee) struggled on the 'one day' deck.
Posted by: Snr Nubi | 02 December 2006 at 21:16
I'd like to see Oz make the follow on half an hour before stumps tomorrow then declare. Put it back on the poms to set a target and put it back on the commentators to get their heads out of their collective arses. The first two days of this test have been dreadful boring shithouse cricket.
Posted by: pat | 02 December 2006 at 23:39
A citizens movement to get Marto dropped must begin. Hey hey, ho ho, Damien Martyn's got to go!
Posted by: pat | 03 December 2006 at 12:41
Gnome, Haydo, and Martyn gone! Fair enough, Gnome - bad time to begin batting - but the other two are useless, and have been for about 2 years. Time to give Jacques a go - couldn't perform worse than Hayden.
Still think it'll be a draw, but.
Posted by: 13thMan | 03 December 2006 at 12:41
How come we couldn't swing the ball? Apart from Lee when England were 500+.
Posted by: Tony.T | 03 December 2006 at 13:03
Is it swinging? Haydo and Marto are just shito - that's all. Pup up the order to replace Marto, Haydo given 1 more chance. And Haddin in to replace Pup at 6. So when Gilsvhrist fails Haddin drops back and you can take your pick to select a Vic.
Posted by: pat | 03 December 2006 at 14:10
Gilsvhrist? Do Swedes play cricket?
Posted by: Tony.T | 03 December 2006 at 14:13
Aren't they a type of vegetable?
Posted by: 13thMan | 03 December 2006 at 18:44
The ancestors of Swedes and Wehrmacht obviously do play cricket hence I use the original spelling. Just an attempt to match the English commentary you so obviously feel compelled to fall on your knees mouth agape ready to fellate.
30 runs shy of the follow on at stumps. A nothing Test full of sound and fury signifying... Tones being an ancestral pom naturally you are bereft of cojones so I sympathise with your petty sweats. 30 more runs, 5 wickets in hand.
The questions: are our radio and TV commentators too old? Isn;t it time for fresh blood. Bring in the young up and comers. Chappeli, Greig, Lawry, Aggers and Spanky etc. Isn't it time these cunts were removed to make way for people who are simultaneously erudite in the ways of cricket and entertaining to boot?
Posted by: pat | 03 December 2006 at 19:48
Come on Tone, this blog used to be at the bleeding edge. You've turned into a cunt lipped cultural cringing cricketing pommy dhimmi. Turn the sound off. And no ABC pseudo commentary to fill the air. Make your own assessments. You'll be refreshed.
2 days to score 550 was too long for any 5 year old to see. We lead 1 blot. The poms have to make the running regardless of their MSM running dogs barking ejaculatory praise of a soft cock entrance to a hard core porn flick.
The Oz stand upright. We can penetrate. We stand potent. We lead them on. The English just hug each other like a scene from Queer as Folk and next thing you know we'll be told that getting your test arse reamed is good for character building.
Posted by: pat | 03 December 2006 at 20:10
Bollocks.
But the hugging isn't anywhere as near annoying as the touching of gloves.
Posted by: Tony.T | 03 December 2006 at 20:19
Bollocks to you too! The "touching of gloves" is all this Test has been - so far. Lets get fair dinkum. So far it look like we should be all out for 370 to 400 by half after lunch session. That's a 180 run lead max with a day and a half to spare. The poms need a win. Where is the press pressure? The poms bat again - what are they gonna set? Think about it. The pressure is on them. They have to set a target.
This test is a draw or an Oz win - who will bet me? Email me.
Posted by: pat | 03 December 2006 at 20:27
Speaking of bollocks, I'm watching Straya's Favourite Album.
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Jeff Buckley
OK Computer
Nirvana
Get rooted!
Posted by: Tony.T | 03 December 2006 at 20:52
"Get rooted" was a great album, dare I say quintessential to Australian subcontinentiousness, but it just doesn't stand up to OK Computer neither nor Nirvana.
Straya's fave album has to be "The Photograph Kills". Surely the most concise critical acclaim of any Australian album: "The band has achieved neither critical nor popular success during its time."
Posted by: pat | 03 December 2006 at 21:09