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seems that Luke might have looked at this earlier Guardian story to lift that Peter Conrad quote.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1056310,00.html

Shame he left out this bit:
"In part, her ability to remain so prominently in the public consciousness comes from an astute understanding and well-established symbiotic relationship with a media as eager to be shocked as she is to shock. She knows how easy it is to draw facile conclusions from a superficial reading of the more controversial points of her work, which is why she leaves them in."

Bet you L.S would be happy with having penned any sort of cultural touchstone, perky or otherwise, a heist of the zeitgeist or not.
One touchstone in a lifetime is a pretty good score

One of Dame Edna's ugly sisters rides again. If she want's to be a full blown curmudgeoness, she needs to get more with the vitriol and less with the blathering. She's not Kingley's Amis' grown up lovechild yet ... by a long chalk.

Oh, and hello boynton, we must stop meeting like this. (Or at least bring over a bottle of Ribena and a plate of cucumber sangers to share with Tone.)

... I do NOT believe I did that apostrophe!!! (A MT glitch obviously.)

Whilst I'm here I might as well make it a hattrick ... nicely flighted segue ...

"And regarding the legality of the actions of the jocks and their groupies -- "

What the?! Muralitharan was involved?!

I agree she knows how to play the media, B. But so did Goebels.

Never the less, in Luke's article I DID detect a hint of similarity. Not so much that you could get all accusative -- nor even subjective, genetive, dative or ablative -- because there'd been a lift, but just enough to think that Luke and Stephanie may have touched the odd cultural stone together and supped from the same Zeitgeist therefore ensuring they deliver their critiques in a similar style. Kinda like Ken Kesey and Tom Robbins, James M Cain and Raymond Chandler, Charles Dickens and Wilkie Collins ... or Hanna and Barbera.

All in all, I'd be very surprised if Luke hadn't read the article.

Sedge, speaking as a tall chalk ... y, it may surprise you to know -- my brain being all enormous and full of stuff and all -- but I know nothing about Kingsley Amis. In fact, if something was amiss with Amis, I would miss it. Punctuation included'.

And what do you know about Ribena incidents?

When it comes to cricketers and their off field attractions .. err .. actions, could I tell you a thing or two.


Judith Krantz and Danielle Steele, anyone?

No I don't mean to be accusative at all. There's no grounds for accusation anyway, as nothing original was "lifted"- even if the writer did happen to see that article among others in the course of research. Probably just a coincidence of quotes.
Anyway I was more interested in saying that for all her alleged battiness, provocation, crankiness and 'foolishness', the brilliance of her intellect can at least make you think.
This is from the original Peter Conrad article btw:
"Those who fulminate against her have misunderstood her motives: like the naughty boy in the nursery rhyme, she only does it to annoy and her arguments are often endearingly dotty"

(and Sedge - cucumber sangers are fine, not overly fond of the Ribena these days)

O.K. then, I'll bring a jereboam of Porphyry Pearl. We'll have to find out what St. Tone of Abstemia's preferred drop is these days.

(Hopefully nothing to do with freshly squeezed drinks containing those ubiquitous and overpriced lawn clippings known in the trade de jour as "energizing, nutritional, blood building, body cleansing, body cleansing wheat grass".)

I don't mean "you" as in "you" -- he stands pointing his finger accusatively -- I mean "you" as in nebulous "you", as in we, us, the general shmuckery -- he stands and flourishes a vague circular gesture.

And I totally agree she plays the naughty schoolboy. I just don't agree she's endearingly daft. She ought to grow up.

And who's this Peter Conrad? He get's a mention in the last sentence. Am I missing something?

well Sedge 'you' don't want to spill any (ri)benas but you kind of think black tea might be the go? And you might find Porphyry might be too nebulous for us. We would unanimously abstain from wheat grass though as we compare mt glitche's.

PC is the expat writer and intellectual who is cited both by LS and Stephanie, in a circular way.

Also, by suggesting Shakespeare, LS merely reminds us of the universal value of a 'fool'. A clever, crazy fool as opposed to the merely derisive.

Yowzah! How about that, Sedge. We posted at exactly the same time and I didn't realise it. Anyhoo, at least I now know what Porphyry Pearl is, the name suggests it tastes bad. I'm on the herbal teas these days. And I like the odd Red Bull, V type zinger drink.

B. A nice point on Billy's "Fool". However, it served to remind me of the former rather than the latter. Namely that GG is clever, yes, but still a fool.

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