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Carrot

I visited Inzid for the first time over the Christmas/New Year of 2012/2013. I can remember being quite impressed with it, and telling people that it was like Australia twenty-five years ago, but in a good way.

To whit: I logged on to my shiny new dodgy live-streaming site during the lunch break to see if it was working, and got a live feed of the ground. Which was swarming with members of the public. I mean literally teeming with people. My first thought was "what arseholery is this??" until I remembered the above. It's probably even longer than twenty-five years ago that crowds were able to make merry with grounds in Australia during the intervals - certainly well before my time, anyway. Any of Ye Golden Oldies care to elaborate on that?

Carrot

Wow, this is great stuff from McCullum. Why is he retiring?

Carrot

New Zealand are about an over and a half from being seven down. Jeez it's fun while it lasts, though!

Carrot

Am I the only one watching this, or is everyone just dumbstruck?

Greg Cook

This would have to be the worst test cricket bowling I have EVER seen.
McCallum is batting great, but these clowns are bowling absolute crap to him, he certainly doesn't have to worry about getting out LBW

Tony Tea

I hadn't realised McCullum was earlier out off a no ball.

m0nty

Gluepot being given the respect his bowling deserves.

m0nty

Upon quiet reflection, I think a better nickname for Mitch Marsh is 2SOS (second son of Swampy).

m0nty

NZ all out 370 from 65.4 overs. That's actually not all that great a position for them to be in. Still, not bad given they were 4/74.

Tony Tea

Good recovery indeed, but a bit hard to get an accurate read on today's cricket. I actually missed all the tv, and the only bit of play I heard was when I was going for a walk about 11.30 and the whole way McCullum and Corey seemed to slog a four every ball.

Carrot

Remind me who Gluepot is?

I watched nearly all of the second session last night before I couldn't keep my eyes open anymore - so saw all the fun. It was very impressive and not a little exciting, but I wouldn't want it to happen all the time. New ball bowlers disappearing for ten and sometimes twenty runs an over meant that the game lost all complexity. There were only so many times that the commentators could say things like "this is incredible" before I wanted to see something else. I LIKE watching batsmen being patient and waiting for the bad ball whilst we analyse replays for seam and swing and drift. Day two of the Wellington Test was actually much more interesting - we scored 300-odd, but had to pick our moments, and did it very well. Hats of to McCullum, but watcing him score about a million runs from halfway down the pitch is something I'd rather see in a limited overs game.

Tony Tea

I've never heard of Gluepot, either.

Tony Tea

Something about a batsman slogging a ton like McCallum did gets up my nose. Yes, skill to burn and great for neutral and Kiwi fans. But I would have loved to see him out for 99. And remember, Viv didn't slog his ton; it was all class cricket shots. I guess it's a sign of where modern cricket's at for batsmen.

Tony Tea

As Greg said, we must have bowled shit, too.

General question: whats the best way to get out a batsman who is teeing off every ball?

m0nty

Gluepot was Mitch Marsh (as distinct from Shaun being Quagmire), but I have discarded that moniker for the more modern 2SOS (referencing 5SOS, if you need it spelled out for you).

I watched a fair bit of today's first session. Old fashioned grinding batsmanship, of the kind that we often bemoan the lack of in Australia, particularly on this blog. Reverse McCullumism, if you will.

Flasheart getting bonked on the scone was scary. Great to see him go on.

Tony Tea

Morass Marsh?

Lou

I didn't see MacCallum, but it sounded very arsey and the sort of innings that I have Maxwell pegged for once he's in the team.

Hence, those sort of innings give me the creeps. Sounds weird but I'd hate seeing an Aussie batsman play like that in test cricket.

Not surprised that our bowlers didn't use their brains against him. Modern bowlers can go to water once someone gets away with a few slogs.

philsgone

Didnt see Vivs dig, but saw Gillys. Nothing like McCullum. The current bats has a lot to answer for. Shoulkd have an asterisk against Mccullums score.
Great batting again yesterday, just like the no.1 test team should

Tony Tea

Agree with you both. Mis-hit sixes should be banned. Shit shots dont deserve big runs.

Bruce

Since the departure of Haddin and Clarke, I can't remember hearing anyone claiming 'that's the way we play' when getting out on a flat footed slap or other soft bullshit dismissal.

I this confirmation bias on my part? or a culture change within the group that puts a bit more value on their wickets?

philsgone

I also think Pattinson should be dropped for recurrence with no-ball wickets. Its not unlucky its poor application and I bet lack of proper bowling a training.

Tony Tea

Australia's test to lose. I was hoping we'd be further in front, but with half the time still to play we need to skittle the kiwis toot sweet to avoid ugly fourth innings business.

Carrot

With NZ 50/1, this is proper Test cricket. It's been a long time since we've seen the like. Super stuff: definitely worth staying up until 4am for - although admittedly when you know you've got nothing on for the next few days.

Carrot

And now the commentators are talking about the great job we've done on Williamson in this innings, which is bang on. I'd add the entire series into the equation. It's been really impressive watching our guys bowl to such a disciplined plan. Would we be able to execute so well on the roads in Australia? I think not. I'd love to go to Christchurch and sing out "can we play you every week?" The thing is that there wouldn't be a trace of sarcasm in it - if all Test cricket could be played in these even conditions, I think we at the AGB would be very happy.

philsgone

Amen Carrot

m0nty

Fitting that McCullum's last international cricket shot was a mistimed slog caught by midwicket.

Carrot

Potentially tricky chase looming, and maybe even some cricket on Day 5 = awesome. There's also the possibility of Marsh really needing to justify his batting position if we lose wickets. Frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing him get out cheaply in a tense loss, it would add further impetus to the idea that he shouldn't be at 6, and the Kiwis don't deserve to go down 4-0 this summer with the cricket they've played.

Lou

"Fitting that McCullum's last international cricket shot was a mistimed slog caught by midwicket."

Couldn't agree more.
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Professor Rosseforp

Noticed that the Australians have read recent criticism of their catching on the AGB pages, so have upped their performance, and can now definitely say "Australians always take all their catches".

Carrot

It's been awhile since we've seen a proper mozz, Prof! That was a bad miss from Marsh. There's a fair bit going on at the moment, but if NZ get through the next few overs unscathed, we could be in for a long day.

m0nty

Alarm bells ringing with this partnership. Lead is 50, may already be enough.

Tony Tea

The Kiwis are home and hosed.

Tony Tea

The First Test was lost via a Vo ball and the Second Test was lost via a D'oh ball.

Tony Tea

Could conceivably change "D'oh ball" to "Patto ball".

Carrot

Interesting reactions to the review decision. Kiwi commentators not at all impressed with how we dealt with it. It's probably fair enough, and pulling out the big-boy swears to the umpire (and on air) is never a good look. It raises a point I was going to make earlier though, in that I think historically in cricket the Kiwis have just been too gracious in defeat, both in terms of support and on the field. So long as they compete and play well, everyone seems pretty happy. Australians on the other hand are one-eyed as hell, haaaaaaaaate losing, and really don't care how ugly things get so long as they win, and you could probably see it in that decision. It's probably one of the reasons we're 3-0 up in the five Tests we've had this summer - despite the fact that it's probably been the most competitive cricket between the sides for twenty years or more, the Kiwis just don't get angry enough. If their renaissance continues, it'll be interesting to see if that changes.

Tony Tea

I also haaaaaaate it when we lose. And I'm not even playing.

Carrot

Sure. I think it's something that happens not only on the field but off it, in the crowd and the media, and the culture surrounding the game. When it comes to the cricket (as opposed to the rugby) the Kiwis are remarkable for how mild-mannered they are, and I think it's probably not actually a good thing.

I hate it when we lose to England and India. I don't hate other sides enough to get that bothered.

Carrot

Say goodbye to Day 5, then. Oh well.

philsgone

I think its because the All Blacks win sooo often, there is no pressure for them to perform in the test arena on a regular basis. And they aren'tthat good anyway.

Carrot

I think it'd be super-great to have some proper acrimony between these two sides, a la Australia-India. I'd say Australia-England, but there's not really THAT much niggle in Ashes matches - certainly not in any sort of "we're not racist and we're calling off the tour" kind of a way anyway. But wouldn't it be fantastic if the Kiwis really found some hate from somewhere and became a genuinely hard-nosed, win-at-all-costs side? Then we could actually have some Bledisloe Cup-type atmosphere in these series, something that's been talked about for years and has never come close to being achieved.

m0nty

Lead above 100 despite Bird's heroics with the second new ball. Anything 120-ish is seriously problematic.

Tony Tea

Kiwis will win it for McCullum. Nothing surer.

m0nty

Lead at 150. Danger, Will Robinson.

Tony Tea

May as well quit. Kiwis are certs.

Tony Tea

T. O. A S. T.

philsgone

200 not a problem. 201, well now thats a whole new ball game. If we win = new era emerges. If we lose = same old same old. This game is a bloody beauty

m0nty

Warner's over/under before getting out tonking is about 17 balls.

2BarRiff

I think the Kiwis missed their chance to declare with a lead of around 140. Anything more than that and the Aussies are a better bet. Around 140, Oz has no chance.

m0nty
Matt Henry to Joe Burns. Back of a length, outside off stump on the back foot pulling, well timed to deep mid wicket for 3 runs, dropped catch by Wagner, fielded by Anderson.

Wagner better get on his cycle.

philsgone

Wagner must be going for most short pitched balls in a test match. Clearly 2/over doesnt apply to him

m0nty

He just got his first warning for three in an over. I suppose if it's good enough for Studsy, it's good enough for anyone.

m0nty

Cow Corner strangled down leg. Ignominious.

Tony Tea

Fact. In the spell when Wagner got Smith and Burns in the first innings, Wagner bowled 1,232 short balls.

philsgone

perhaps his lack of pace means they dont count

m0nty

This is good though, we are being tested with short stuff, and if we come through with the win, it will have been a true Test. Proper cricket.

m0nty

130 to get with 1 down at stumps. The collapse is coming, just a matter of time.

philsgone

how is warners home vs away average differential looking these days? Tres ordinaire I suspect

m0nty
39.1 Wagner to Steven Smith (c) SIX! Neil Wagner to Steven Smith. Short, down leg side on the back foot hooking, top edge in the air uncontrolled over fine leg for 6 runs. Smith is taking on the bouncer option from Wagner. First ball from the bowler and he goes after it with an almighty swipe. It sails down to fine leg off the top edge and clears the rope for a maximum!

Flasheart flashing hard.

philsgone

I guess Wagner and LBW wont be seen in the commentary any time soon

m0nty
47.4 Boult to Joe Burns OUT! Bowled. Trent Boult to Joe Burns. Length ball, outside off stump on the front foot Slog, missed.

"Slog, missed." With 21 runs to get.

m0nty

Missed A Slog, that's Joe's name, that name again is Missed A Slog.

philsgone

Warner will need to be Slog King then

Carrot

"I'm just calling to distract you whilst we re-possess your slog....."

philsgone

The Missad A Slog jacket will look good in his wardrobe

m0nty

Vogon poetically hits the winning runs through cover. Excellent Test quality cricket. Should be more of it.

philsgone

Two greentops, bowler friendly wickets, and we get 500+ in each test. Kiwi bowlers esp the openers not had a good series. Toss seems to have played its part once more.

m0nty

Australia's Test cricket captain Flasheart, flashing hard with all the technical quality he can muster.

Tony Tea

Smith gave fake-bouncer-boof Wagner the treatment he deserved.

Vindicate

"I visited Inzid for the first time over the Christmas/New Year of 2012/2013. I can remember being quite impressed with it, and telling people that it was like Australia twenty-five years ago, but in a good way."

Couldn't have said it better myself Carrot.
Most Kiwis now strike me as exactly that, just happy-go-lucky, friendly people, and I've been working with a number of them over here in Kalgoorlie.
Unfortunately we Australians, or certainly most from the big cities, have become self-centered, egotistical, arrogant, and cynical of pretty much anyone and anything around us.
I'll give you an example.
In my previous job hauling Melbourne - Sydney overnight express work, inevitably there would be the standing around bullshit session where the drivers would congregate while waiting for their loads. Conversations would range from whinging about anything and everything (never mind that it was a cushy job), to verbal smartmouthing and one-upmanship, it got to the point that I'd stay in my truck and listen to music or watch a movie on the laptop because I got sick of the crap dribbling from my so called colleagues.
Another thing worth mentioning is there was a definite pecking order, the higher in the order you were (ie the length of time you had worked there) the earlier you got loaded.

Contrast this to the Kiwis I worked with in Kal, even as the new guy in the place, I was treated like an equal right from the start, any help or advice I needed was given freely without any snarky "can't you do it yourself?" remarks.

In a word I know what happened to Australians, we've been Americanised.

Carrot

Huh, that's really interesting, Vindicate.

I've lived out of Australia for so long that I'm not really sure I'm in a position to really comment, but I can tell you what I like about Germany in contrast to the UK, or London at least.

Money doesn't matter here as much. It's important, sure, but it doesn't run people's lives in quite the same way as it does in other places I've lived. And there's a much more egalitarian attitude to things like food and drink, and even things like the cost of parking. Went to Karneval the other day, and every beer was €2. A Würst was about the same. I remarked to a friend that in a lot of places I've been it's common to crank up the prices for big events because they know they've got a captive market, and he looked at me sideways and said "we're not like that here". They're really not, either - and I have found that it makes people really kinda .... nice. Unfortunately the opposite is also true, though. I have found that when you live in a world that revolves around money so much, and every business or organisation is trying to gouge you for as much as you've got all the time, it really hardens people, somehow. "Yep, I'll charge you $12 plus for that pint of beer, and I'm going to hold you in contempt whilst I do it". It's not like everything in Germany is super-cheap (health insurance, eek!) but the little things routinely are, and I'm convinced that it breeds a more kind-hearted attitude in people.

Anyway, so far so philosophical. I'm not sure if it speaks to anything you've said or not, mind you.

lou

It's London, Carrot. Insane prices here for just about everything entertainment related. And housing. I don't know how to describe what is happening with housing in London.

I'm impressed with the Aussies winning in NZ. I didn't think they would. Bloody pleased.

Kiwi bowlers need a shellacking from whoever is the new coach.

Carrot

Honestly? I don't think it's just London. I could make similar remarks about The Netherlands, and despite me saying that I might not be qualified, there are definitely a few remarks I could rustle up about Australia and specifically Perth if pushed. The $12 plus beers are a good example. How two beers can costs $25 - or sometimes more - in any possible universe, is beyond me. It's not freakin' Iceland.

We definitely played well though, didn't we? I don't think the Kiwis played that badly either, although you're probably right about the bowling. It's a pity that there weren't more than two Tests.

Tony Tea

I found that West Aussies were generally more genial that eastern staters. Much less hung up on everyday stuff.

Brett Pee

West Oz rules mate

Lou

Well, yes Perth is silly for prices for housing too.

Bizarre, how many people are there who really want to live in that vast nothingness that is the belt between Mandurah and Rockingham? Seemingly a lot and they are prepared to pay through the nose for some horrible soulless box with no yard to speak of.

philsgone

Craig McDermott stands down as our bowling coach. Ryno Harris your new job awaits.

Tony Tea

McDermott has been an excellent bowling coach. Hopefully our development continues apace.

philsgone

just need a witch doctor to sort out the injuty isssues. Mind you, Ryno an expert in that area

Big Ramifications

Just popped in to AGB Cricket to see if there was a Martin Crowe post.

That was some great reading Carrot, Vindicate, Tony Tea, Lou, in these last dozen comments or so....

Tony Tea

I've never really done much in the way of obituaries, so having scaled back the AGB there was not much chance of me doing on now.

Vindicate

It's an interesting insight Carrot, I haven't lived outside of Australia so have little experience of other cultures and their approach to money.

I do agree with Tony though, West Aussies seem a lot more approachable and friendly than the eastern staters.

Lou

TT, you bothering with the WorldT20? I'll understand if AGB turns up its collective nose at it, but I'm going to follow it.

Having a Sky subscription and HD flat screen TV on my desk at work makes it obligatory.

Awful, but someone has to do it.

It should make for a lot of fun when the Aussies fall apart on SC wickets.

philsgone

Surely we must have rocketed from 8th to 7th on the t20 rankings after lasts nights result

Tony Tea

Thanks for reminding me, Lou. Although, I don't think I'll see much, but I'm sure there will be stuff to talk about.

Lou

Sixth, philsgone. With a bullet.

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