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Tony Tea

So, Strauss can indeed honestly say he was misquoted.

gillysgone

The Guardian wrote the word in inverted commas as "cunt", so they were fairly accurate in their recounting of the story. Probably what Warnie thought of Brett Leee as well...

Carrot

It always disappoints me that these things are made to be such a big deal, and that everyone has to apologise, tug their forelocks and say a million public Hail Marys. It was the same sort of thing with the "broken fucken arm" incident in Brisbane (which I just saw a video of on YouTube before I came here). There is such hypocrisy in the idea that sport should be squeaky-clean and homogonised and that everyone should "set an example for all the kiddies back home". Professional sport everywhere is played by ruthless, hard-nosed people that play to win. Sometimes they don't like each other, and shock, horror, sometimes they say nasty things to one another, too. There can be no sin in admitting that.

Furthermore, Andrew Strauss is a respected figure in the cricketing community with cred coming out of his ears, and if he thinks that Pietersen's a cunt then there's probably a reasonable argument to suggest that he actually IS one. I genuinely believe that the game would have been better off without Pietersen, and the fact that there's still a discussion going on about whether he should be playing for England completely bewilders me. If it takes an on-air slip of the tongue to get a genuinely honest opinion out of someone on that point then so be it. The only thing that Strauss should be apologising for is the language he used on-air, but never in a million years should he be apologising to Pietersen, or anyone else for that matter.

lou

I'd agree with Strauss not apologising for anything other than the language he used on air. KP and he are well aware of what each thinks of the other so why is it an issue?

Anyone follow the Aus A match v India at AB field? CA are going to go (understandably) apeshit over Whiteman.

Tony Tea

Naman Ohja batting at 7 - 219 not out in the first innings, 100 not out in the second.

lou

Aus A looked a strange side, was a strange side, almost a c side in terms of bowling.

Big Ramifications

Should that be "ellipsisically suggests"?

Tony Tea

Hmmmmm... good question.

Arefin

I am also say that It's a good question

Big Ramifications

I win one internet.

Tony Tea

Jadeja and the Sledge Crazed Paceman should have a punch up.

lou

Jadeja and the Sledge Crazed Paceman need new handbags

Tony Tea

Settle it in the usual fashion. The Poms should doctor the pitch and the Indians should sit in the bus.

Carrot

Off topic, but it never ceases to amaze me how pessimistic the coverage of the game is in England. It's not just the press, but seemingly everyone around the game. England went to stumps four down last night and admittedly that probably put India at least one wicket ahead of the game, but come on - that was no reason to say that the match was effectively over. There's no way that the Australian press, team and cricketing public would have peddled so much doom and gloom. Even Jarrod Kimber said that it was effectively a foregone conclusion in Polite Enquiries.

As it is now though, they've got two set batsmen at the crease and two and a half sessions to score 168 runs - only another 20 or 30 runs and you could say they were favourites to win. I'm convinced that it's the lack of optimism in the English game - and perhaps even English sport in general - that often holds them back.

They're super-obnoxious when they win mind you, so maybe it's better than the alternative.

Carrot

Well, they lost by 95 runs. Maybe it was a foregone conclusion. I still think I'm right, though - Hobart '99 could never happen for an English team.

Is this as bad as the mid-nineties for England? They can't sack ALL the senior players, can they? Which of Cook, Bell and Prior really justify selection at the moment?

gillysgone

apparently Prior out of the rest of the series with injury? cook has to go, captaincy crueling his batting. I think we did more damamge then we knew with the 5-0 result. Swann gone, he was crucial to their success, as was Trott I mean we got flogged by India only 18 months ago. Mind you that was the worst Aus team ever selected . The Poms capapcity to look at the glass half empty is a part of their outlook these days. I said to a pommy mate of mine I hope they drop Cook so he can come back agaist us next year, otherwise it could be another rout. Apparently bouncers did the damage this test. I thought it was the indians who couldnt handle bouncers. bloody hell.

Carrot

Aaaaaaabsolutely mental what's been happening. Pietersen, Trott, Swann, Prior gone, at least one of Cook and Bell to follow, surely. Question marks have been raised about the bowling, too - apparently Anderson bowled angry, self-indulgent, short filth in the second dig which is just the sort of thing you'd expect from him. They won't drop him or Broad, though.

Still, they've completely imploded. And yes, I think the 5-0 has got to them. They've been shockingly vulnerable against the short ball lately, to the point that the Sri Lankans were bouncing them out. They''ve either been bounced out or got out hooking/pulling, which is exactly what was happening in The Ashes.

We went nine Tests without a win last year though, and somehow (God only knows how) made it back to be the number one team in less than a year. Can't see that happening with this mob, though.

Tony Tea

Good times.

Carrot

Meh - are they? I hated it when they were good, the smug was just too much to bear, but at least it gave me something to be angry about! If England go back to being pitifully embarrassing it'll be fun to a point, but not particularly interesting.

gillysgone

Yeah, a lot to be said for the 2005 Ashes, except in 2015, Kasper wont be there to have his hand off his bat as the ball toches it. 2-1 our way will do me.

Tony Tea

With the way reviews are so often bungled, Kasper could do the same and the tv umpire would still call it out.

gillysgone

Obvious ones bungled best, hard ones they tend to do better with.

Big Ramifications

Loving your work in this thread, Carrot. This blog is consistently better than anything the mainstream meeedia churns out.

Might have linked this before, but it seems relevant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3bl4xaFZMM

"Wasn't really sure what was going on." V.funny parody if you're familiar with the original lyrics.

Carrot

:-) Thanks, Biggie!

Must admit that whatever song this is a parody of that it was well before my time, though!

Carrot

By the by, if anyone hasn't read Kimber's articles about England on cricinfo, they should. He makes exactly the sort of points that various of us were ranting about last year during the English Ashes, except in a much more informed, actually-knowing-what-he's-talking-about kind of a way.

I must admit to really liking him and his writing. Part of his schtick is playing the clown somewhat which probably doesn't endear him to everyone, but his knowledge of the game seems to be second to none, and these inter-connected little essays he writes are fantastic. I can't think of another writer that can genuinely engage me for twenty minutes at a time - and he used to be one of us! Just a regular or garden variety Australian cricket blogger.

I really hope that India wins this series at a canter, by the way. If they do, there might actually be some interest going into the Australian series. Not sure I could handle another clean sweep.

Tony Tea

I refuse to believe anyone could make points "in a much more informed, actually-knowing-what-he's-talking-about kind of a way" than us here.

Vindicate

Not sure I like Indias brand of smug any more than Englands, their press are as bad as each other in the hysterics department.

If the poms edge sneak a win it'll bring the curries back down to earth, and a few batfest-on-a-road draws to tie the series up 1-1 will be exactly what they deserve. Both sides seem more interested in not losing the game than taking a risk to win it, and it's exactly that kind of boring, negative captaincy that makes people question whether Test cricket really is the premier form of the game.

Then we get Australia vs South Africa series, a perfect showcase of hard, aggressive, exciting test cricket that we all love, and yet only three games! I understand they're going to expand it to five(?) in the future though, and not before time.

Professor Rosseforp

Carrot, I believe the English attitude is traditionally ascribed to the weather, as you would be aware -- "Expect the worst and you won't be disappointed".
I wonder how they manage to inculcate the philosophy so well into the many ex-pats who have been drafted into the English team? Perhaps the resigned acceptance of defeat is proof that multiculturalism is working there!

Carrot

Hmmm - maybe there's a "Guns, Germs and Steel" interpretation to be made here as far as weather and the fortunes of English and Australian sport are concerned?

Tony Tea

Suns, therms and she'll be right.

Clyde

Nougat.

Malcolm Fraser

For all you nougat lovers at AGB: Take on horn.

Anyone who doesn't love nougats is a cunt.

Big Ramifications

Malcolm, that was funny and strangely compelling. I hate myself.

When Cevin Pietersen made his Test debut for England no-one could have predicted the incredible mark he would leave on the game.

Tones, I had a laff when I fired up Google news this morning and saw that CP was going to be playing for your home team leave an incredible mark on your home town in the Big Bash.

gillysgone

on another topic, bye bye Jaques. If he was an Australian, he would be ranked number 2 behind the don as second greatest cricketer of all time. But he isnt, so we dont. Probably should be though. no question greatest all rounder. Never heard him speak enough to judge his character, but I assume he is a quiet achiever, so kudos to him.

Tony Tea

Numbers-wise is pretty handy, but you'll certainly get an argument about "second greatest cricketer of all time" from the old timers and probably from me too.

As far as all-rounders are concerned, many Olde Timers will cite Sobers, while some will propose Miller.

As far as "second greatest cricketer of all time", I would put up Warne.

Carrot

Numbers-wise, second to none. I don't put him anywhere close to being the second-greatest though, and I'll apply my Tendulkar argument here: not a match-winner. People will scream at me until they're hoarse that I'm wrong about Tendulkar and maybe they have a point, but I reckon I've got one about Fat Jacques. Too selfish and defensive with the bat, didn't ever really push the game along until (much) later in his career. Was a big part of the reason why until recently South Africa were good at not losing matches but not so good at winning them.

Obviously a great player though, that goes without saying. To score a freakin' bazillion runs and end up just short of 300 wickets is pretty phenomenal.

Carrot

PS, don't you qualify as being an Olde Time yet, Tone?

Tony Tea

The Olde Timers have a generation's head start on me. I'm Now Time.

gillysgone

Agree carrot, not a match winne, so greatness does elude him on that basis. Also never held captaincy for any period, if at all, so also a bit of a minus.

Carrot

Fuck's sake - India and the BCCI. What a bunch of whiny little bitches. It seems that whenever there's the opportunity to have a big hissy fit about something, they'll take it. No, I wasn't in that corridor, I didn't see or hear what happened and I don't like the idea of players shoving each other, but the idea of laying formal charges against someone for something like that is just stupid in the first place, and now they're bitching about the outcome. Do they TRY to be dislikeable?

Big Ramifications

Speaking of "match winners".... a nice segue back to the subject of this thread.... as much as I try/tried to hate the guy, KP's maiden ton in the 5th Test of the 2005 Ashes won England the series.

Maiden ton. Big ol' purple golf ball bruise on the ribs. Banged up shoulder. Bashed fingers.

There was a brief Brett Lee spell where I thought KP was completely rattled. Wore 2 or 3 thunderbolts to the body and gloves. Got the feeling he was totally poopin' his dacks out there. I was certain he was a gonner. Maybe hang around for a few more balls and meekly put the cue back in the rack. Never been surer.

But I've got to solemnly dips me lid in the direction of the switch hitting, stupid hairstyle havin', cocky show pony Vark ring-in. Almost 10 years on and it's still one of the best fighting innings I've seen in my life - and an Ashes series clincher to boot.

// yeah I know, being dropped 3[?] times helped

Carrot

I've always wanted to see extended footage of that day's play. I was in my London office and couldn't see much of it. I exchanged text messages throughout the series with a mate in Australia and I particularly remember him sending something like "wow, best bouncer of the series!" when Lee apparently nearly took KP's head off. I've always wanted to see it.

Back then KP needed to justify his talent, and played freakish innings in both whites and coloured clothing. Sadly it didn't last long; once he'd established himself as a senior bat he played for himself and it was an insult to the game and everyone who had stuck their necks out to put him there in the first place. I can remember one particular ODI hundred in the 2007 WC where he took what felt like 30 balls to go from 90 to 100 when his team needed him to accelerate. It was around then that I went from hating him to REALLY hating him.

There is no questioning his talent, though.

Carrot

Hey, whaddaya know, it's on YouTube, with the bouncer, too! I've found it after all these years. Thanks for bringing it up, Biggie.

Jeez Brett Lee was quick on his day. Mostly gun-barrel straight, though. Russ referred to him as Steve Waugh's Patrick Patterson awhile ago, and it's a good comparison to make. Fast, hostile, scary, but being quick alone isn't really enough to be world class.

Clyde

Look at McGrath's faggot hair cut back then.

gillysgone

I wonder if Warnie and KP would have become mates if Warnie hadnt dropped him early on in that innings.

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