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RT

Ponting definitely not playing in Siddey due to the finger. Review this physio Kuntouris too please.

Professor Rosseforp

Spin doctor alert!!
"Ponting aggravated his fractured finger during the Melbourne Test and has been advised to seek immediate treatment." Sydney Morning Herald says Ponting will be "rested" in the next test match.
I like the wording, that neatly explains why he is more injured now than he was before the last test.

Tony

For the record, Clarke should be skipper in Sydney. No point having a (vc) if you are going to look past him when he is needed to fill the breech. Review the position afterwards, but.

Professor Rosseforp

Tony, while the selectors are admitting (covering up) their mistakes, they might as well drop Clarke as well. Not that I'm keen on corporations, but how many corporations automatically slot in the "next in charge" when the CEO retires? Not very many. They are there for occasions like a broken finger during the match. Any deputy CEO worthy of being a CEO has already become one. So with vice-captains.

Patard

Not a dead rubber as far as The Series is concerned.

If Clarke gets to captain it will confirm that form is of no consequence. Haddin or Hussey being promoted to captain will suffice, in the interim, as a form of notice to Clarke.

m0nty

According to Murphy's Law - a keen observer of cricket, that Murphy - Australia will win this Test and Clarke will be installed as our permanent captain for the next three Ashes series, which we will all lose, or at least not win.

Bruce

Prof - next in line as always the way in the short term for the main chair. At least things can keep going while they search for the next long term boss.

Tony

Think of Carman Lawrence, Joan Kirner & Christine Keneally - sorry, they're all women; it was accidental; hate mail to the usual address - anyway, they were all, in their own ways, stop-gap short-termers. Were they lemmings, too? Is Clarke a sheila?

(Hidden in that paragraph are all sorts of vexed issues. Gulp.)

2BarRiff

I think the dilemma for the selectors is that anyone you pick - DHussey, Marsh, White, whoever - could slot in for whoever you drop, but would they really do any better (note: not do any worse but do better)?

We're one Test away from a significant break (nevermind how far back changes should have been made) so see Sydney out, watch the Shield comp and one-dayers, and and make the changes in March/April based on who has put their hand up.

2BarRiff

BTW, when are the new ACB contracts due out?

Tony

New contracts? The paperwork is currently en route to the mafia.

Cameron

Saw the always entertaining Silvio Berlusconi on TV last night telling this joke at a press conference:

Son of Mafia guy: Dad is Einstein dead?

Mafia Dad: Yes son he is.

Son of Mafia Dad: Why Dad?

Mafia Dad: Because he knew too much...


Lou

Punter is looking more and more foolish the further this goes.

I reckon the Aussies will win this one. Either the batsmen will turn up or Johnson will.

Hewy

Surely now is the time to realise you can't put a guy with zero coaching experience in charge of batting coaching for a professional cricket team.
Since JL has been there the top order has been rolled every test match, including a couple of our worst performances in Australian history!

I've heard the advice he was giving Clarke recently was laughable, and the results are painfully obvious.

2BarRiff

With Punter out, does this mean he doesn't equal the record of number of Ashes series losses, regardless of what happens?

Cameron

Langer spent his career get hit on the fvcken head and edging the ball to third man.

Tony

Squadly doddly:

Michael Clarke (c), Brad Haddin (vc), Doug Bollinger, Michael Beer, Phillip Hughes, Ben Hilfenhaus, Mike Hussey, Mitchell Johnson, Usman Khawaja, Peter Siddle, Steven Smith, Shane Watson.

Injuries aside, wholesale sameness.

Cameron

boooring.

2BarRiff

My prediction for Sydney: Someone who doesn't deserve it will make a century, thus extending their career.

Lou

Is that really the squad? What, are they planning on playing Birra after all?

I bet they play Dougie in place of Hilf, just to provide more scuff marks for Swann.

Thick as a barrel load of blancmange, our selectors.

Homer Simpson

But they'll call him screwie Lewie!

Lou

Well, I don't normally buy into that regional crap, but as it has been the performances of anyone who isn't from NSW (can't count that idiot foundling, Watto, as he is not really a Blue) who has kept us in the series, I'm not even bothering barracking for the Bluse, I mean the Aussies, fifth test match.

Bloody Clarke as skipper. Greg Underarm just said recently that they didn't want Punter to stop skippering as the 'other options' weren't 'ready'.

Lou

will the chief lemming lead them over the cliff?

Lou

The barsteward will probably ton up now that we've lost the Mashes.

Cameron

My brother predicted a few years ago a Clarke captaincy stint would end in tears.

Big Ramifications

Ponting definitely not playing in Siddey due to the finger. Review this physio Kuntouris too please.

See the comments buried deep in the bowels of the 5th Test post, regarding iiPunter selecting himself.

This morning I saw some slomo footage of him at bat SERIOUSLY favouring his injured hand. What can you say?

But he did looked sharp working with some firmly hit balls at his vigorous final fitness test™. I now wonder if he was hepped up on goofballs?

Big Ramifications

Favouring his right hand while batting in the previous Test, that is.

2BarRiff

Cameron - did the brother predict a Clarke captaincy stint starting in tears as well?

Big Ramifications

Favouring his injured hand, that is. I have no idea if it's left or right.

Tony

2Bar, extending your career via a score in a dead Test is called Deano's dead rubber syndrome, after Dean Jones. Mind you, like Clarke & Clarke time, Deano & Deano's dead rubber syndrome probably lack statistical support. But they both sound good.

2BarRiff

There must be a North ammendment to the DDR syndrome - that the career extension provided by a century is reduced in proportion to your home state distance from Sydney.

The Don has Risen

Can any of the Mexicans tel me how old is Cameron White and what do you think of him being made captain?

I admit he isn't a test player but few are these days

Tony

Cam White, 27.

The Don has Risen

good so far.

he can field and bowl sometimes
what about him as captain?

Yobbo

"Any deputy CEO worthy of being a CEO has already become one. So with vice-captains. "

This analogy really fails since you can't play cricket for any other country other than your own (or your own country + England), whereas a person with CEO-worthy talent can easily get a CEO position at a rival company.

Steve Waugh had to wait for Taylor to retire before he got his captaincy spot. He was 33 when he took over the captaincy. Does that mean he wasn't up to it before then?

Yobbo

Peter Roebuck stressing the point now that all 22 players in the ashes were white, which is an obvious problem for the world in general, for reasons he doesn't explain.

Yobbo

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/494701.html

here

Professor Rosseforp

Yobbo et al -- my analogy concerning directors was poor, I apologise. I was just trying to say that I don't want Clarke as captain, and lots of others don't either, judging by some of the online polls.
I didn't want Waugh, either. I always thought he got a dream run from the selectors as a player, because of the same "golden boy" syndrome that Clarke enjoys, i.e. you can't sack someone you have anointed because it means your initial assessment was wrong. Admittedly, my initial assessment of Waugh was wrong, although I never liked his captaincy style.
I was hoping that when Steve Waugh retired, and they were looking for someone younger, the selectors might have had enough humour to appoint Mark Waugh -- sadly, no.
The nightly news was talking up the big changes to the team: 2 injured players replaced doesn't seem that big a change, given the disastrous results so far.

Lou

Does Spanky get het up about all players in Sri Lanka v India being non-white?

TKYC (charge, leave it, BOWLED... you tool!)

Fifth Test post just added today, already 40 comments.
Can wait till the first day when we bat first again and get skittled for 150.
What be we hit 300 comments before the end of the 1st inns.?

Professor Rosseforp

I predict that Ponting's woes will be underlined even more, when the toss goes Clarke's way.

Professor Rosseforp

"all 22 players in the ashes were white" -- Roebuck is just trying to keep Cameron out of the side.

TKYC (charge, leave it, BOWLED... you tool!)

Derryn Hinch on twitter noted something interesting...

@HumanHeadline Dumped Ponting. Injured finger over injured pride. Faces media then walks away pulling suitcase with damaged hand.

...pretty much sums up The Prof's comment earlier (2nd in this post).

TKYC (charge, leave it, BOWLED... you tool!)

Yobbo and Lou picked up nicely the latest Spanky rant about the 22 all white players in the 4th Test.

Two points on this...
1). It could be an aside to the English team... I mean they have a handful of Saffas playing for them, but only went for the white ones, like Pik Strauss, Joost vander Trott et al.
Shame England!

2). One for the historians...
Has there been a white player to have represented India?
More specifically, post 1950 (i.e. their liberation from 300 years of subjugation... you know, that Spanky occasionally returns to)?

Or does he delight that India (may have) had a white player in the team during the 20's or so... when subjugation was all the rage?

Yobbo

Selectors missed a trick here by bringing back the injured Bollinger when they could have given Copeland a run.

Yobbo

Prof the point is that there is only 1 position of Australian captain. You can't go and get the same job elsewhere if there is an incumbent. You can't play for a different team because there are nationality requirements. Therefore, many people who may have made good captains don't ever get the chance because the powers-that-be are happy with the guy they had. Warne for one.

Tony

Can't believe they dragged out fat, unfit Doug. I would certainly have given Copeland or Cameron a crack.

Cameron

An Indian player named David Johnson played against us in the one off Test in '96 but from memory he was Indian not White. The name just stuck in my head.

Tony

Derryn's being shit-stirrious. A crack in a finger won't stop you from using that hand. Neverthelesss, as mentioned afore, the finger situation has been badly mis, ahem, handled and now provides a convenient out.

Tony

Merv Hughes was on SEN this arvo with the summer fill in bloke, I'll call him Fill. Anyway, Fill listed the Aussie cricketers' averages from Uzzie through White and Ferguson, and eventually got all the way down to Hughes and asked why the selectors picked a bloke with a 16 average. Merv's reply was a borderline snap. "Well, out of all the rest is there an opener? No. That's why Hughes was picked. He's the only opener. If Katich was fit or there was another better performed opener, Hughes would not have been picked." Fill never followed up with a suggestion Mike Hussey open (I assume Merv would have said he was batting too well at five), or Paine or whoever else.

Tony

Everyone coming up lemming, James Dunn, BPL:

Their bowlers constantly attack, making our batsmen play, inducing huge uncertainty in them, gaining devastating late movement and holding their catches, culminating in the Great Boxing Day Lemming Rush. By then our batsmen were mentally shot, strangled by the constant pressure into going hard at the moving ball, consoling themselves that they were trying to be positive but in reality flailing desperately to get off strike.
m0nty

Read this from Peter van Onselen in the Oz today. Bolshie and bushie at the same time, with a sandy texture.

ONCE again Western Australia has had to do the heavy lifting. Despite the best efforts of Michael Hussey (leading run scorer for the series) and Mitchell Johnson (the best spell of bowling which gave Australia victory at the WACA), the poor performances of the eastern states Australian cricketers (NSW in particular) has cost us the chance to win back the Ashes.

This was written before the team was announced, of course. It seems the selectors are going to pick more and more NSWmen until the beatings improve. Seven Blues out of 13.

Tony

PVO is a hard core 'Groper. Grain O'Salt.

Yobbo

"Merv's reply was a borderline snap. "Well, out of all the rest is there an opener? No. That's why Hughes was picked."

There are certainly half a dozen openers in the domestic comp with better averages than Hughes. Pretty hard to list their test averages though, since they can't get a game.

Yobbo

"2). One for the historians...
Has there been a white player to have represented India?
More specifically, post 1950 (i.e. their liberation from 300 years of subjugation... you know, that Spanky occasionally returns to)?"

It's far less likely to happen since the non-white countries that Spanky has his noble savage obsession with typically do not extend citizenship to foreign-born residents, or their children. Only evil anglo nations like Australia and England do that.

Yobbo

Sorry, what I'm saying is that despite there probably being a few white players running around in the Indian domestic comp, none of them would be eligible to play for India.

Patard

Let the diversity begin!

Highlights:

USMAN ''UZZY'' KHAWAJA'S selection in the Australian Test cricket team was only a matter of time. And it was never going to be just about cricket. He's a Muslim - next week the first Muslim to play for Australia.

But what to make of the idea that Khawaja's selection for the national team transcends sporting boundaries? That as the first Muslim in Australian Test history to wear a Baggy Green cap Khawaja's debut represents a significant moment for multicultural Australia?

To be Australia's first Muslim cricketer is not nothing. Australian cricket is Anglo, Anglo, Anglo. Cricket Australia has seen the cultural homogeneity in the game and is desperate to change it. It should be encouraged.

Anglo you say?

Last time I looked Buchanan was a Celtic name - Scots even. A man who has no understanding of his own heritage ululates over anothers. I guess that's the way diversity works: we have none.

Could we list a small sample of other Anglo names of recent times?

Hauritz
Hilfenhaus
Not to mention all the Irish Celt names, or that Gillespie is part Aboriginal, or Richard Chee Quee etc

Anglo is the new white.
Fuck the Poms give me the shits, because even Celts think they're Poms.

In any case, big surprise! A country founded by Anglos with a large minority of Celts, and still dominated by those ethnicities has produced a team dominated by....Anglos. Croikey, that's not on. It must be changed.

This is plain and simple racism by Buchanan. He is demanding that our race be removed from the game of cricket in Oz and states that the institution that guides cricket is actively pursuing our ethnic cleansing from the game.

CA can stick their game up their arse.

Patard

If you would like to complain about this ethnic cleansing the complaint forms can be found here.

Patard

Following up Yobbo's link to Spanky's amazing facts on the ethnic makeup of the English and Oz teams comes this exercise in madness. Read the whole thing. Highlights:

Evidence of CA's policy of discrimination and racism: "To its frustration, Cricket Australia has been presiding over a monoculture."

Amzing facts: "In its long history, Australia have not fielded a single Hindu or Buddhist." What about Zoroastrians? Don't they matter?

More amazing facts: "Inescapably, Khawaja's background is relevant. Indeed it is a cause for celebration. It is not so long ago that a youngster of his colour and conviction might have found his path to the top blocked." Blocked by the fact that there were next to no Muslims in Oz till Fraser opened the floodgates in the 1970s. Not having Muslims in your country is certainly detrimental to having them in your cricket team.

Puzzling: "Asked about the lack of Muslims in Australian cricket, he observed: ''Maybe they don't think they can go all the way. Also, studies are very important in subcontinental societies.''" Hmmm, yes. Studies aren't important to dumb Whites, I mean Anglos. Maybe that we are only now seeing 70s and 80s migrations of Muslims coming through has to do with that very fact. They weren't here till that time. No, too obvious for a Fairfax brain that one.

"Khawaja is not fighting any battle or proving any point, merely trying to play cricket as well as he can. It's a tough enough challenge." Yet Spanky and Fairfax are going to fight a battle and they are going to ram this point down our throats.

Wtf moment: "No harsh words are said about him. It's not because he is brown or Muslim but because he is liked and respected."

And finally, the diversity moment: "Cricket counts among the most diverse of games. Its small group of senior nations includes brown, black and white, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist and Christian." I think Spanky just blew his load.

Cameron

This is truly a first for Australian cricket. In my 20 years watching the game I never thought I'd see the day. Rejoice my fellow cricket nerds for it has finally happened. The Australian selectors have picked a player of above average intelligence! Reading the diversity wank fest articles linked to above you could see the nuggets of evidence swimming in Spanky and Buchanan's man juices.

Khamaja is a pilot but even better he became one so he didn't have to do office work. Dunces who want to get out of office work go into teaching (for example heh), smart dudes do exciting stiff like piloting.

And then there's this from Peter Lalor:

When asked about being the first person of his birthplace and religion to wear the baggy green he was surprised. "That's the first time I have thought about it all day,"

Ha, ha! Cop that PC-multiculti enforcers, he doesn't want to be your pin-up boy.

Also his father Tariq is a cricket nerd who according to Spank 'is a student of the game who could watch his son play all day then go home and watch another match on TV'. Good breeding see. But don't worry that he's too smart, nobody likes nerds, Simon Katich says 'He is probably the most popular bloke in our (NSW) squad and I am pretty sure a lot of the young blokes will back me up on that'.

Our current captain is covered in tattoos, our previous one likes watching dogs chase rabbits in his spare time, it's about time we had some brains in the team.

Good luck to you Usman, i'll be supporting you throughout your (hopefully) long career, not because of your religion or because I have a political axe to grind but because you're Australian (and appear to be of above average intelligence).

Yobbo

Are any cricket playing countries even Buddhist? Sri Lanka maybe?

Professor Rosseforp

Forget about white men in the Indian teams, when are the Parsis going to get a chance again?
According to Wikipedia, the Parsee tour of England in 1886 was the first cricket tour of England by a team from India. Faroukh Engineer seems to have been the last Parsi to play test cricket for India. Let Mr Roebuck ponder on that multicultural sticking point.

Lou

Spanky has barely got started yet on the whole 'let's embarrass Usman Khawaja with our diversity flag-waving crap', so don't quote everything he says on it as I deliberately don't read the overblown junk he writes.

He's a hypocritical jerk who is lost in foam, wind and bile masquerading as political correctness and romance. He's now just waiting for Ussie to fail and get dropped so he can REALLY go to town on this beastly place he immigrated to all those years ago. Sydney 2008 will have nothing on that.

This one's got legs.

Ghastly man.

Yobbo

There are only around 100,000 Parsis in the entire world, it's no surprise you don't see many of them playing test cricket.

Tony

Look on the bright side. I own the headline:

USSIE, USSIE, USSIE

In shock news, the National Selection Group have picked another Waler for the Tests against Pakistan:

Khawaja, Hilfenhaus in Test squad

NSW left-hander Usman Khawaja and Tasmanian swing bowler Ben Hilfenhaus have been named in the Australian Test team to face Pakistan in two Tests in England.

RT

This guy has got to go:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/nielsen-im-still-the-right-man-to-take-us-forward-20101230-19b66.html

''We started the series well, we had a terrible 15 minutes to start the Adelaide Test match and before we knew it, we were bundled out of that Test match as well,'' he said.

Um....I'd label the rest of the test as terrible and the first 15 minutes as catastrophic.

"We haven't quite finished a few games off."

What The [email protected]

Tony

Heard on the 8:00am news that Ricky Ponting's fracture "moved" during the Boxing Day Test. Where to: a better neighbourhood?

Professor Rosseforp

I saw Tim Nielsen on the news last night and he needs some serious media coaching. His ringing endorsements for Clarke's captaincy were completely undone by his shifty eye movements and head wobbling. In a court case, his defence team would never put him on the stand.
But RT you are correct, he has to go.
Yobbo, once again, you are correct on the Parsis. I was being flippant. Parsis have been incredibly influential in India and Britain in many spheres of life. However, the decline in Parsi participation in cricket has apparently come about because of cultural reasons. There are obviously cultural reasons why it's acceptable for Lebanese Australians, or Greek Australians to play rugby league and not cricket. Some Yugoslav Australians have played cricket. Aboriginal Australians are over-represented in league and Aussie rules (possibly union) but barely register a blip in cricket.
I think these things are worth exploring and commenting on. There are probably structural and cultural barriers that could be broken down in cricket.
Mr Roebuck often strays into questionable areas when he waxes lyrical on such matters.

Tony

What does Tim Nielsen actually do? Serious question. Does he map out tactics, training, forward planning, or does he just put out the witches hats at fielding practice?

Tony

Simon Barnes wrote an article on Ponting last year:

Misfortune has followed [Ponting] on these shores and an element of pure farce has followed him everywhere.

There's a bit of that in Ponting's finger. The alleged mismanagement has allowed public imagination to run riot and allowed stories like Hinch's "he carried his bag with his injured hand" (3AW's Darren James repeated it this morning as if it was a Wikileak) to gain traction.

Instead of public sympathy, there's public cynicism about the motives of Ponting and CricAussie.

Not sure what should have happened, but once again a Ponting misfortune is wrapped in said element of pure farce.

Tony

Tim Nielsen better not be a fvcken "mentor".

Tony

Spanky is spot on here:

Meanwhile [the Australians] are surrounded by spin doctors anxious to massage the message and conceal all warts.
RT

With some serious poetic licence from a footy post Tony did a whiles back, Nielsen should have lined the side up after the MCG debacle and said:

Was it and innings and 150 runs? Clarkey? Second innings defeat for the series? Ashes gone.

Go and fvck yourselves, fellas.

Like, I could rant and rave...I could rant and rave, but...I realised today that I’m coaching a sh*t cricket team.

Today...today’s the day...not the day the teddy bears had their picnic, it’s the day...it’s the day that I realised I was coaching a bunch of blokes that aren’t there.

Physically, I don’t think we’re there. Mentally, I don’t think we’re there.

And it’s doing my fvcken head in!

I put the fvcken time in each week, I’ll get Fatto to do the videos, I’ll get the bananas, I’ll get lollies. I’ll get Solo.

Shove the fvcken Solo up your ar$e!

Seriously!

Don’t open the can, shove it up your fvcken ar$e!

I’m fvcken sick of it!

Each week, I put in till there’s no more to fvcken put. I put in and I’m sick of it!

Shane Watson, you’ve got another 50…

Get a fvcken hard century you blond-headed cvnt!

Hilfy? Don’t know if I like ya! I love ya, but do you love playing cricket?

Mitch? I’ll back you to the hills every week, ‘cos I’ve got you here. I’ve got you here and I fvcken love ya.

But take a fvcken wicket ya cvnt!

Ya fvcken cost us the game! Go and fvck your fvcken mother!

‘Cos you’re sh*t.

And we’ve lost.

And you can all go and fvck yourselves ‘cos next year I’m coaching Zimbabwe.

Russ

A moving fracture just means it got bigger. Ponting would have been told he could play on it (that is to say, a little finger is not that important), but that any sort of knock would make it worse, extend the recovery time, etc. Needless to say he wanted to play, as he should want to, and now it matters less.

On cultural minorities in cricket: one of the biggest differences between aboriginals playing footy and playing cricket (apart from a pronounced difference in their interest in the game), is that a prospective player from a rural/regional area, where the bulk of aboriginals live, in football, will move to a club, with its associated support structures and a steady income. Whereas a cricketer goes into the lower rungs of grade cricket, has to find a job and housing, and train, with little support. For every McGrath who had the determination to live in a caravan for a year chasing the dream, there is a lad who went back to sinking piss and rolling sides for not many back in the country. For an aboriginal the transition is probably harder again.

Professor Rosseforp

Thanks for that Russ, it makes sense. I remember that Border was unusual when he first played for NSW. Even though it didn't pay much, he decided that it was his job and gave himself a year or two to make it to the big time, rather than try to hold down a real job and fit cricket in as well.

Big Ramifications

Usman Uzzy Khawaja is a sleeper!

Big Ramifications

Remember when Hazem El Masri really started hitting his straps, and coincidentally at the same time the Bulldogs started having *ahem* crowd problems?

I'm totally gunning for that to happen with Oz crowds. Not for any other reason than the yahooing and corresponding gnashing of teeth. The multi-levelled entertainment value it would bring.

[and teach our national embarrassment, The Fan-atics, how to really partay.]

Tony

Russ, yes. I was tongue in cheek there. Ponting was between a hard place and a rock. No matter what he did he was going to cop it, unless Australia won in Melbourne.

Biggy, do you mean a Manchurian Candidate sleeper?

Big Ramifications

He's a pilot, eh? I dunno if you were takin' the piss, Cameron, but I thought pilot and batsmen would share similar skill sets. I'm impressed.

Not so much your "smart dude" angle, more the psychological aspects such as discipline and calmness under pressure.

Having said AWWWL that... how hard is it to become a pilot nowadays? I don't know. How many solo hours does he have under his belt?

Is he a sh1thouse pilot? :)

Big Ramifications

Russ, yes. I was tongue in cheek there. Ponting was between a hard place and a rock. No matter what he did he was going to cop it, unless Australia won in Melbourne.

He shouldn't have played in Melbourne. He wasn't fit. Here's my take:

**After the shock pantsing in Perth, deluded ol' Ricky thought we were On The Verge Of Something Big™. Ricky wanted in on the fist pumping and pointing-at-press-box-ing [as well as his match fee, heh heh].

**Ricky got hepped up on goofballs for his fitness test. Passed fitness test.

**Aggravated injury in the Test.

**Yes, it's a perfect face-saving excuse, but I don't think he could play this next Test anyway.

Big Ramifications

There are obviously cultural reasons why it's acceptable for Lebanese Australians, or Greek Australians to play rugby league and not cricket. Some Yugoslav Australians have played cricket. Aboriginal Australians are over-represented in league and Aussie rules (possibly union) but barely register a blip in cricket.

I think these things are worth exploring and commenting on.

Here's a theory I read*.

The decline in Windies cricket can be mapped to the rise of the NBA. The youth of those countries identified with their black "brothers" in America, and regarded cricket as the white man's game. Basketball took off, apparently, at the expense of cricket.

That's correct, folks. Windies cricket is up the sh1tter because of their racist attitudes [see how we can play this game all day long, Spanky?].

*It wasn't in an article from a tub thumper like Roebuck.
*It wasn't in a blog.
*It was an unemotional, matter-of-fact piece of writing, stated as calmly as when Ron Barassi cited Vietnamese immigrants as one of the reasons for the Footscray Bulldog's financial woes.

Tony

I used to play cricket against a lot what were then called "Yugos" in Perth.

m0nty

To be fair, Ron Barassi is not one of the country's great thinkers.

m0nty

Ron Hitler-Barassi, now that's another story.

Big Ramifications

Just to elaborate. Time flies. The article was referring to the Jordan Johnson Bird golden era of the mid 80s to mid 90s, so he was talking about the youth of that time.

Tony

I have a notion (a less-than thoroughly researched, gut-feeling type notion) that the West Indies / NBA relationship has been overplayed.

Big Ramifications

To be fair, Ron Barassi is not one of the country's great thinkers.

I was angling more for the "he doesn't say things to big note himself" angle, not the "he is always correct" angle. Whatever. You saying he's wrong in that specific instance?

After the initial knee jerk PC bleatings, I believe a lot of people sat back and said "I think the old bugger might be right."

Big Rammer's mum

I have a notion (a less-than thoroughly researched, gut-feeling type notion) that the West Indies / NBA relationship has been overplayed.

I'm with you, Tony.

The Don has Risen

if that was the case would the Windies be a basket case?

Big Ramifications

The Parsi are the mob that leave your carcass out for the birds, right? I'm sooo gonna start a chapter in Perth.

Father/Priest: Is there one aspect of the faith that you find particularly attractive?
George: I like the hats.

George: By Christmas Day,I will be brother Costanza
Jerry: And what does brother Costanza plan on telling mother Costanza
George: Brother Costanza will be taking the vow of Silence

Cameron

Aaahh the old NBA ruined West Indies cricket theory. Who came up with this steaming pile of horseshit? At least the 'AFL is ruining cricket' daydreamers can sight specific players who had to decide between the two sports. The propagators of the WI/NBA myth never name a single player in the NBA or college basketball who should be playing cricket. Heck, I'd be happy if they could name a one pro basketball player of Caribbean descent.

The Don has Risen

we play Sri Lanka, then India and then the Aardvarks.


I do think we should plan for the medium term as we wil lose all three.

Big Ramifications

The propagators of the WI/NBA myth never name a single player in the NBA or college basketball who should be playing cricket.

Woah woah. Ease up, turbo.

Youth can identify with the NBA without suddenly popping up in every second team. That's not what he's saying. I find the theory plausible. I think the theory - to quote Prof Rosefforp, to whom I was responding - is "worth exploring."

Anyone got the stats on youth sports participation in that era in those countries? No? Then STFU and keep an open mind instead of calling horseshit. Or explain yourself better.

Tony

Sizzle. Chest.

Cameron

It's not my theory so the onus is on those propagating it to show some quantitative evidence to support it. .

Big Ramifications

All sizzle, no steak. That's me.

Russ

The NBA question is easily settled. Adonal Foyle, playing NBA since 96-97 appears to be the only player. Far more players have (probably) been lost to athletics.

Personally, I put the decline in West Indies, Pakistan and New Zealand cricket down to too much international cricket. From the 1970s onwards, their best players played county cricket in the off-season, a professional finishing school for talented cricketers. After the mid-90s the national team players played exclusively amongst the national team, meaning 1) they trained exclusively amongst their own (more limited) team-mates, and 2) were comparatively well paid from a young age making it feasible to coast along in mediocrity ("I'm in the national side so I must be good"). Plenty of talent, too many flaws, and no discipline.

Not incidentally, how many of the current Australian side have played a full season of county cricket? Even Haddin hasn't, after all those years on the sidelines. Smith, Hughes, Clarke, Watson, Johnson, Hilfenhaus, and Siddle would be far better cricketers if they had.

Big Ramifications

It's not my theory so the onus is on those propagating it to show some quantitative evidence to support it.

Indeed. But you took it a step too far by calling it horseshit. Now you're propagating a theory.

But the point is moot. You notice how in the last thread Tony sneakily said: "my coach Mr Southeran said..." but he never said if this was a good or bad thing? Hat tip to Big Tones, coz that's a tactic I use a lot.

It was simply a theory I read.

Tony

What about athletics? The Windies appear fanatical about sprinters.

Tony

Ummmm... refresh the page, me. And, Biggy Chest, I was just telling a story. I don't do judgement. Much.

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